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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 26 Sep 2018
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      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our media, But in ourselves, that we are fakenewsed. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/upshot/biased-news-media-or-biased-readers-an-experiment-on-trust.html …

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    2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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      Pretty dubious way of measuring (and thus defining) "bias" in this one.pic.twitter.com/hdwGWZqcnm

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 26 Sep 2018
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      You’re misunderstanding the methodology I think. They’re comparing the group that new the media brand to the group that didn’t and correlating the delta to declared bias. The blind group had its brand bias factored out.

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    4. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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      That's the assumption I find dubious. . E.g., why not say the control group lacks crucial information to properly judge / assess bias? Sure, "more partisan => source info inc. rating of bias", but why not say this is actually *correct*. Absent facts, "bias" has unclear meaning.

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    5. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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      If random person says "we must respect due process" I might rate this is "unbiased", but if you then tell me that the random person is a college male that has just been accused of sexual assault, my judgement of bias goes up. But does this actually mean I am more biased?

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 26 Sep 2018
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      But the proposition “we must respect due process” does not become less true simply because someone who currently benefits from it is bringing it up. We are not judging the trustworthiness of the speaker here but the statement, which can be somewhat independently assessed.

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    7. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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      Since there is very little truth at all in politics, its truth is indeed (vacuously) unaltered. It's the idea that statements (esp. moral and political ones) can be assessed independently from the source that I find dubious. Like a base-rate fallacy, almost.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 26 Sep 2018
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      *shrug* Thar be nihilism I prefer to give truth a chance

      8:12 AM - 26 Sep 2018
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        2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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          There are truths, and facts. Just not many of them in politics and morality. When "bias" is used to refer to deviation from truth / accuracy, I know what it means. But when used in some political research, meaning is dubious. E.g. here I would summarize the study as:

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        3. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 26 Sep 2018
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          "Knowing the source of an article increases its perceived untrustworthiness, bias, and this effect is more pronounced among more partisan individuals". I just don't see how this means the more partisan people are more wrong or inaccurate or something though.

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