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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Aug 2018
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    Do shaming and guilting ever produce actual positive change? As opposed to merely greater conformity/compliance to group norms?

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      2. Varun Adibhatla‏ @vr00n 8 Aug 2018
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        Yes, when it comes to pro-environmental / conservation behavior. With Tax compliance : "When shaming turns into stigmatization, compliance is lower than when shaming is followed by reintegration." China also using Shaming to curb jaywalking.pic.twitter.com/yM8bhVgTaA

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      3. Varun Adibhatla‏ @vr00n 8 Aug 2018
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        When it comes to mobilizing opposition voters in Russian Parliamentary election, shaming people to vote not so hot. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3214205 …pic.twitter.com/YfALmwY7JN

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      1. Bryan Kam‏ @bryankam 8 Aug 2018
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        There's some evidence that acute stress increases levels of serotonin, and that serotonin can increase plasticity. If true, stress from guilt/shame could make change, positive or negative, easier (Search http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0269881117725915 … for "punishment")

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      1. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 8 Aug 2018
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        I used to shame people a lot, but now you’ve made me feel bad about that. I’m embarrassed. I will stop doing it forthwith!

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      2. MOURNING CROW PUNISHER Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 8 Aug 2018
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        1of2/Usually group norms will be positive, relative to a likely deviation, as they're a sort of aggregate local intelligence, and so shaming or guilting away from violating a group norm would be positive.

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      3. MOURNING CROW PUNISHER Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 8 Aug 2018
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        2of2/Even when the group norm is negative, shame or guilt produced by contemplating its breach can produce movement away from it, as some people are just rebels. Related, the shame of exile has spurred much great fiction (Dante's Inferno, The Dubliners, etc.)

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      1. Catherine Olsson‏ @catherineols 8 Aug 2018
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        When someone has expressed a standard or value that they themselves would like to live up to, and they've done something that contradicts it, then I'd offer that saying personally "I'm really disappointed in you, I expected better of you" is truly unbeatable as a wake-up call.

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      1. Strange Bundle‏ @Strange_Bundle 8 Aug 2018
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        I assume it works on people who are already invested in following the lowest level of friction, or people who wish to be part of the particular perceived group's better side. For people immune to either, or those who might find flaws over time after the fact, it can aggravate

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      1. brrr Seitz‏ @BillSeitz 8 Aug 2018
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        Note Guilt/Shame/Fear are 3 different models, not synonyms. http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/Blame 

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      1. Kush‏ @ankushnarula 8 Aug 2018
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        Shaming is “persecution lite”. It’s effective at indirectly forcing positive compliance/conformity but can also be easily abused to marginalize harmless difference.

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