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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Aug 2018
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    Do shaming and guilting ever produce actual positive change? As opposed to merely greater conformity/compliance to group norms?

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      1. Strange Bundle‏ @Strange_Bundle 8 Aug 2018
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        I assume it works on people who are already invested in following the lowest level of friction, or people who wish to be part of the particular perceived group's better side. For people immune to either, or those who might find flaws over time after the fact, it can aggravate

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      1. Gabe Bassin‏ @gabebassin 8 Aug 2018
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        Shaming and guilting ONESELF can have a positive change effect. It can be a motivating force to improve. That said, the externalities of that are often negative moods and sadness. So the question is: Is it worth being in a bad mood to produce positive change in oneself?

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      1. TOD-zilla‏ @balcom_holly 8 Aug 2018
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        I think about this a lot. My US Midwestern self is super uncomfortable with shaming, but the highest-functioning communities I've been in has someone (usually a woman) who goes around grabbing ears and hissing "be nice to the newb!"

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      1. Emerson Dameron  🐝‏ @emersondameron 8 Aug 2018
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        I like to think I've grown stronger from experiences of inflicted humiliation and shame. There may have been a more efficient way to do it.

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      1. Catherine Olsson‏ @catherineols 8 Aug 2018
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        When someone has expressed a standard or value that they themselves would like to live up to, and they've done something that contradicts it, then I'd offer that saying personally "I'm really disappointed in you, I expected better of you" is truly unbeatable as a wake-up call.

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      1. Bryan Kam‏ @bryankam 8 Aug 2018
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        There's some evidence that acute stress increases levels of serotonin, and that serotonin can increase plasticity. If true, stress from guilt/shame could make change, positive or negative, easier (Search http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0269881117725915 … for "punishment")

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      2. Varun Adibhatla‏ @vr00n 8 Aug 2018
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        Yes, when it comes to pro-environmental / conservation behavior. With Tax compliance : "When shaming turns into stigmatization, compliance is lower than when shaming is followed by reintegration." China also using Shaming to curb jaywalking.pic.twitter.com/yM8bhVgTaA

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      3. Varun Adibhatla‏ @vr00n 8 Aug 2018
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        When it comes to mobilizing opposition voters in Russian Parliamentary election, shaming people to vote not so hot. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3214205 …pic.twitter.com/YfALmwY7JN

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      1. Farooq Butt‏ @fmbutt 8 Aug 2018
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        Can't compliance to norms be hugely positive ?

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      1. Kari the Trendy Totebag‏ @trendy_totebag 8 Aug 2018
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        They produce change that some ppl find positive and others find negative. This is BY re-arranging what conformity IS and then increasing the disincentives of defection from the NEW norms. So, your question poses a false dichotomy.

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