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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 27 Jun 2018
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      A basic asymmetry between far left and far right is that they fight for different different things at different Maslow levels. Far right fights for recognition at love/belonging/esteem levels, far left for material necessity at physiological/security level.

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    2. brrr Seitz‏ @BillSeitz 28 Jun 2018
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      I disagree, SJW is all about Esteem

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 28 Jun 2018
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      Wasn't talking about SJWs. That's a loud but shallow icing layer on top of the basic leftism cake

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    4. Moe  ❤️ Maximizing  👼 Superintelligence‏ @baroquespiral 3 Jul 2018
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      this is why I'm a leftist sympathetic to the right AND SJWs. "intersectional third positionism" will be the first seriously and deliberately Maslow-layered politics

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    5. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 3 Jul 2018
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      heh, interestingly I'm a left-libertarian sympathetic to reactionaries because liberal politics is already foundationally Maslow-layered and that's exactly what's wrong with it. what I want is a serious and deliberate *left* program to *overthrow* the Maslow hierarchy

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    6. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 3 Jul 2018
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      Maslow-layered politics is Hobbesian & Hobbesian politics can lead nowhere but to submission to Leviathan but the only serious opposition to Leviathan is from the far right and that's unsatisfactory bc the world they'd replace it with would be *worse* for most of us

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Jul 2018
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      This seems incoherent. If there’s any psychological truth to Maslow it is meaningless to try to “overthrow” it. Going from Maslow to concluding leviathan is... silly. Maslow in some sense applies to all 100k years of history. Leviathanesque monarchies account for 2k at most

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        2. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 3 Jul 2018
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          hm, blame the limits of twitter, maybe, but afaict it seems silly and incoherent bc you're reading me as arguing the exact inverse of what I am arguing tbf I am arguing from a *slightly* heterodox reading of Hobbes & his place in the schema of early modern political philosophy

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        3. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 3 Jul 2018
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          - I'm explicity casting doubt that that whatever psychological truth Maslow has in the finite scope of modernity will still hold up in a wider historical scope (let alone ahistorically), partly bc

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Jul 2018
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          Projecting the structure of individual psyche to society is just one way to make super-Dunbar egregores. Many ways to skin this cat. Politics can be Maslow based without society having a Maslow-leviathan structure with externalized self-actualization

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        3. MOURNING CROW PUNISHER Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 3 Jul 2018
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          I think Maslow is better understood to be making normative claims than descriptive ones, for what it is worth.

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