not just Linus specifically but dudes like him, yes and not just operating systems, the whole FOSS ecosystem seems kind of toxic. it's a shame because otherwise I'd love to contribute
If you wanted to work in operating systems but left or never joined because of Linus Torvalds, please reply to this tweet or DM me. RTs for reach appreciated!
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Ummm, *not* entire Foss communities. From a first hand experience,
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Reading this doesn't make me feel like this is true. "FOSS seems toxic to me" -> "No, you're wrong. My community is great" makes it seem both that giving gentle feedback is hard/may not be a strong skill in the community and seems like NotAllFOSS rhetoric.
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Well, the tweet I was replying to generalized and grouped all FOSS communities together, and so I gave them a first hand example of an awesome FOSS community!
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quite frankly, you strike me as someone who's young, eager, excited about all things software... and male. in other words, someone who'd be welcome in pretty much any FOSS community. so the fact that you've had a positive experience doesn't actually tell me anything useful
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Oh, seeing another reply with the link to the NotAllMen thing, I kinda get it. I didn't realize your tweet/reply was about gender equality issues in foss. My bad, I get it now, agreed.
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I think it's more about majorities. If you're not "like" everyone else, people can be less empathetic, or just outright horrible. It just so happens that gender is a very strong majority at this time.
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That's sad :(
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I fail to understand the purpose of this me too tweet.
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…to find people who want to work in operating systems but were put off by Torvalds, maybe?
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But what is the agenda?
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To quantify the minimum bound of the lost contributors his attitude caused, and to quantify the minimum potential gain now that he is trying to work on it.
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I did a little kernel work at RedHat and while there were some nice folks the overall tone of LKML was sufficiently off-putting that I mostly crossed it off my list of communities I could work in. Subsequent abusive behavior from the top reinforced this decision.
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(Including, full disclosure, a weird sequence of interactions starting with “monotone is great can you make it faster” and ending — after copying all the ideas, which I don’t mind — with public trash-talking our work while evidently never having read the code. Bit of a red flag.)
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Left kernel programming for a bunch of reasons but Linus and the culture he fostered was high on the list.
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It was clear from relatively early on that if you cared about people AND were interested in systems programming you would have to choose, so I picked people. My friends’ experience with the kernel community was a huge influence
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What? Incompetence can now be justified because the watchman left?
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All good developers start as incompetent ones, because nobody can magically be competent without practice. If you destroy the confidence of all incompetent developers instead of helping them grow, the industry will stagnate.
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From Torvalds, Raymond, Raadt, etc. & the thousands that enabled that toxic ass culture, they made it VERY CLEAR I was not welcome there with their freeze peach, asshole libertarian politics. I turned to the WordPress ecosystem instead.
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and Reiser, yikes
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