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Hooloovoo,hacker,cypherpunk,kernel hacker. Building better worlds. Opinions are messages from space. Facts approximate. Photos are square. he/h/h. 0.9x eng. -1¿

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    1. chris‏ @hugelgupf Sep 17
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      worst part about linux kernel is the configuration how TF is a person new to the kernel supposed to figure out which CONFIG_FOOBAR variable to turn on? i haven't the faintest clue

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    2. Andri in  🇩🇰‏ @andrioid Sep 17
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      Replying to @hugelgupf

      Back when I had the time to compile my own kernels there was a terminal GUI that I used to configure it. Is that gone now?

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    3. chris‏ @hugelgupf Sep 17
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      Replying to @andrioid

      sure, there's menuconfig. I wouldn't call that user-friendly...

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    4. chris‏ @hugelgupf Sep 17
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      Replying to @hugelgupf @andrioid

      esp for first-time linux kernel devs

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    5. chris‏ @hugelgupf Sep 17
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      Replying to @hugelgupf @andrioid

      and the dependencies are oh-so-often so wrong all you get is a compilation error then you have to dig into code to see what broke and what might supply that dependency which means you gotta know how the Kconfig build system actually works (#define and the makefiles)

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    6. Andri in  🇩🇰‏ @andrioid Sep 17
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      Replying to @hugelgupf

      Sounds like the Linux kernel could benefit from lowering this barrier to get some new developers to the project Maybe the @linuxfoundation should sponsor that effort?

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    7. chris‏ @hugelgupf Sep 17
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      Replying to @andrioid @linuxfoundation

      tbh i don't have any good ideas on how to make it better right now just a frustration i had starting out, and one i see in everyone we onboard to LinuxBoot internally

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    8. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Sep 18
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      Replying to @hugelgupf @andrioid @linuxfoundation

      seriously make menuconfig is WAY better than anything else out there in the autotools/CMake/NIHbuildSytem world for complex projects

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    9. Javier Martinez C.‏ @martinezjavier Sep 18
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      Replying to @acruiz @hugelgupf and

      I don't think that @hugelgupf was complaining about the tooling (I agree that Kbuild is way better than most build systems) but rather the fact that it's common for option dependencies to not be properly defined in the Kconfig files. What's hard is to figure out the implicit deps

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    10. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Sep 18
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      Replying to @martinezjavier @hugelgupf and

      To me that's a slightly different problem than the setup being hard for newcomers. Rather than the setup being buggy and those bugs being specially harming for newcomers. It's not like those bugs don't hit seasoned developers either.

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      Farce Majeure  🌹‏ @vathpela Sep 18
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      Replying to @acruiz @martinezjavier and

      Well, less than they used to since we've got bots randomizing that these days. But that's not ever going to solve the problem of not having any real way to tell what's *important*.

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        2. Javier Martinez C.‏ @martinezjavier Sep 18
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          Replying to @vathpela @acruiz and

          Yeah, although again I'm not sure if that's a problem with the tooling. I suggested in a previous tweet that maybe we should have some sort of "feature catalog" that contains config fragments and use scripts/kconfig/merge_config.sh to choose what's needed and generate the .config

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        3. Javier Martinez C.‏ @martinezjavier Sep 18
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          Replying to @martinezjavier @vathpela and

          Most people already do something like that. So it would be good to have a curated list of config fragments that contains symbols to enable + dependencies for certain features instead of everyone duplicating the same in their build systems.

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