No surprise. IVF & acupuncture? Doesn't work (but how could it?): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2681194?redirect=true&utm_source=STAT+Newsletters&utm_campaign=d212c12457-MR&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cab1d7961-d212c12457-116322369 … "#acupuncture vs sham acupuncture at the time of ovarian stimulation & embryo transfer resulted in no significant difference in live birth rates." @gorskon @EdzardErnst @skepticpedi
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There was a time when we thought there was a life force energy running through meridians, there was four humours, that earth was the centre of the universe, etc... So, yes, knowledge moves forward. Let's not go backwards.
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Agree, there are many problems with knowledge production process (holding a workshop on point tomorrow!). What is needed is better science, trustworthy/independent sources of information, etc., not an embrace of more questionable therapies.
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Thing is, the outcome of live birth is a very ambitious one in the first place. LBW, VLBW, preterm labor, etc.... so many outcomes to measure. Live birth is just one of many important birth outcomes. If acupuncture is someone’s form of self care.. *shrug*
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The basis of acupuncture does not make sense to me. I still get it. I make my grandmom’s ginger tea when I am sick, my self TLC. I also never say the “Q” word when working a shift. Several women I know froze their ova, despite lack of evidence it improves live birth.
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One well proven mediator of health outcomes is stress. We live in a stressed out world. We also know loneliness shortens lives and kills. Maybe acupuncture helps people go somewhere they feel “cared for”? Maybe it connects them to community or a positive memory. *shrug*
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Evidence is always evolving. We know a fraction of what is true. Instruments/measurement are limited by our own limitations or current knowledge. And much of what we consider true now may or may not remain true. So, let’s just stick to not rejecting the null hypothesis.
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Humility is extremely important, and I share your concerns about financial COIs in medical science. But that doesn't mean we can't identify characteristics of interventions that make them implausible. Unlike claiming the earth is round, claims that a single intervention 1/2
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can address a wide variety of ailments with totally different etiologies have existed for centuries, and characterize something as a panacea. We have reason to be suspicious of panacea claims--like COIs!--in a way that we don't with claims about the earth being round. 2/2
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