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Philosophy PhD Student @RutgersU. Board of Directors @FaunAccionMX. Global Priorities Fellow. Longtermist, Absurdist, Anaqualiac, Animal Rights Activist.

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    Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 19

    Today I learned that 1/4 of my undergraduate students believe that there is less than a 1 in a million chance that humanity will survive climate change. This makes me much more sympathetic to the conservative concern that the media exaggerates the effects of climate change.

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      2. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 20

        Oh no here come the climate change deniers. Yes, climate change is a great moral issue of our time. Yes, climate change will cause > 76 million excess deaths between 2020 and 2100 in business usual scenarios (https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/wB5SwcCEnZ3mWb8bc/how-many-people-will-climate-change-kill-video …). No, humanity is not going extinct.

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      3. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 20

        And yes, averting a greater moral catastrophe than World War II is worth paying a damn carbon tax.

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      4. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 21

        And let's not forget that climate change will kill or injure 10^18 - 10^22(!) wild animals too. https://jeffsebodotnet.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/animals-and-climate-change.pdf …

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      2. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Nov 20
        Replying to @tyler_m_john

        It also seems epistemically overconfident. One should ask them what the probability that they are wrong is: even at 1% that should update them a fair bit towards 50% (to 0.5001%)... not that I expect it to convince them. https://arxiv.org/abs/0810.5515 

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      3. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 20
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        Right, I'm sure most of the effect was bad probabilistic reasoning, but it would have been alarming if their P was 0.5!

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      2. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 20
        Replying to @erich_luepke

        Question was, "Is there at least a 1/10^6 chance humans survive into a posthuman age?" (posthuman df≈ great technology far surpassing our own) 1/4 said "no." When I asked why they all said climate change.

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      2. Jasper Hedges‏ @JasperHedges Nov 20
        Replying to @tyler_m_john

        It is reassuring to hear that your students are afraid of climate change. We are on track for 4.3 degrees of warming in 60 to 80 years (IPCC Sept 19), which could kill billions of people. My sympathies lie more with those people than with conservatives averse to "exaggeration".

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      3. Jasper Hedges‏ @JasperHedges Nov 20
        Replying to @JasperHedges @tyler_m_john

        Just by way of counteracting the denialist frenzy your tweet invites. I know you take climate change seriously. ; )

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      2. Josh You‏ @JustJoshinYou13 Nov 19
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        I have a hard time believing that's their considered view.

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      3. Tyler John‏ @tyler_m_john Nov 19
        Replying to @JustJoshinYou13

        Me too. I gave them considerations that I hoped would move them but they didn't seem to budge. I wish I'd done a follow-up survey. But I'm almost equally unhappy if it's their tacit, not-well-considered view.

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