not moving goal posts. if you put elon's tunnel size (12.5) on that graph, it's literally still cheaper!
Thanks for proving my point
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The estimated minimum cost for 12 m^2 is about a million dollars according to that chart. His tunnel is entirely comparable to the average cost to build a tunnel like that. The y-axis is in cost per METER, so yeah NICE ONE.
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And if you can push 57k people per hour FOR A CHEAPER TUNNEL ($0 TAX DOLLARS), THEN YOU GOT A CHEAPER SUBWAY
why is this so hard for you to figure out
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His tiny tunnels aren't safe with Teslas in them---once LV has a major accident, I am not really thinking they are ever going to expand this system to 29 miles lol...
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Except when one Tesla is in an accident, it's in one of the safest vehicles on the planet and only 5-10 people are affected.
Meanwhile, a subway
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This is nonsense---you repeatedly use data like this. Basically cheery pick things without ever looking at them holistically. It is completely dishonest to represent rail this way---and you do it while speaking about how people dishonestly speak about EVs.
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that data is nonsense. considering global EV marketshare is <5%, your data includes cars that aren't as safe as Teslas.
and it includes drunk drivers, intersection crashes, and many other causes of car crashes that you won't see in tunnels.
you're the one being dishonest.
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You are just hand-waving statistics (as usual) and ignoring stats that are against what you are saying. Yes, as I said EVs are safer than ICE vehicles, both both are less safe than rail. By several orders of magnitude. Tunnels don't make them safer.
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you're the one showing data for above ground gas cars when we're discussing electric vehicles underground. you're ignoring the situation and throwing out whatever numbers that sound like it's supporting your confirmation bias
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driving a car in tunnels literally removes several of the top reasons of car crashes huffpost.com/entry/top-15-c
you're wrong
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Well the cars come out of the tunnels and go to the stations---also cars themselves have inherent risks of combustion/catastrophic failure, all of which are far greater than trains.
cars stay in tunnel until service ends. they're next to the parking lot so none of that street specific crashes apply but even if it did, no other passengers are hurt.
trains cars don't have catastrophic failure? derailment? again you're ignoring what applies to trains
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Of course there are train accidents---but they occur at a far lower rate vs. all modes of traffic except flying. And no the Teslas actually cross streets with pedestrian traffic all along the station route, so there are chances of collisions/accidents.
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