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The Perils of "Privilege" https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250091208 … * PhD in French + French Studies, NYU * maltzp at gmail

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    1. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @trumwill @eotacyl

      Oh yeah. I thought dating.

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    2. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @eotacyl

      That's mostly expectations gap, except when you get to specific situations like African-Americans, China, polygamist societies, and so on.

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    3. EJ‏ @KeseysNotion May 2
      Replying to @trumwill @epicciuto @eotacyl

      Wait, are female incels a thing too?

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    4. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
      Replying to @KeseysNotion @epicciuto @eotacyl

      As a matter of statistics, I'm sure. As a matter of self-identification, not that I am aware of.

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    5. EJ‏ @KeseysNotion May 2
      Replying to @trumwill @epicciuto @eotacyl

      I would speculate that the female population is significantly smaller than the male one.

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    6. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @KeseysNotion @trumwill @eotacyl

      I wouldn't 😂

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    7. Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @KeseysNotion and

      If "incel" is defined as, no one you want to have sex with wants to have sex with you, this would be true of a decent number of women and men alike. If it's instead, there's no one on the planet who'd sleep with you, this is exceedingly few of either sex

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    8. Egg Sandwich‏ @eotacyl May 2
      Replying to @tweetertation @epicciuto and

      There's always the third category of those who self-identify with the label. But I mention that only in the interest of being comprehensive.

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    9. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
      Replying to @eotacyl @tweetertation and

      That's the most interesting data point to me! Those who not only have this thing, but consider it a part of their identity.

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    10. Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
      Replying to @trumwill @eotacyl and

      Certainly that they unite around this as a political cause is interesting. But frustrating because their cause appears to involve insisting that no women experience what they do, which, no.

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      Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
      Replying to @tweetertation @trumwill and

      Where I keep getting stuck on this: if "incel" (self-id'd) is just the new-ish term for men who want women who don't want them (all the while ignoring those who do), how is this a group to pity?

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        2. EJ‏ @KeseysNotion May 2
          Replying to @tweetertation @trumwill and

          It's not.

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        3. Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
          Replying to @KeseysNotion @trumwill and

          But it keeps getting presented (https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel …) as men who truly can't find sex. Which is a v. different situation than, 'supermodels won't date me, thus life is unfair'

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        4. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
          Replying to @tweetertation @KeseysNotion and

          I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the sexless as a class (and especially those who identify), though there are enough that I think are just in a bad situation I don't write them off. The same applies, except moreso, to women left out.

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        5. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
          Replying to @trumwill @tweetertation and

          The "moreso" in large part because I don't *understand* why some of the women were left out. The guys... yeah, I can point to this trait or that trait, high expectations or an annoying personality or crippling social phobia. My wife's friends? Perplexing.

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        6. Will Truman‏ @trumwill May 2
          Replying to @trumwill @tweetertation and

          Which goes back to my observations from high school about general popularity. I knew why the unpopular guys were unpopular and it was rarely arbitrary (even if very often based on faulty metrics). I never understood the dynamics of what separated girls between popular and non.

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        7. Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
          Replying to @trumwill @KeseysNotion and

          I promise this is clear enough to girls themselves, with the equivalent mystery in the other direction!

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        8. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
          Replying to @tweetertation @trumwill and

          I'm so old, I remember there were news stories that said a woman was more likely to get killed in a terrorist bombing than marry for the first time >35. Which iirc turned out not to be true, but that was the whole tenor of the convo then. About women.

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        9. Phoebe Maltz Bovy‏Verified account @tweetertation May 2
          Replying to @epicciuto @trumwill and

          Yes, this. For men, part of their status in society comes from whether women are drawn to them. For women, traditionally, attractiveness to men is everything in that department

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