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    Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

    1of x: BEST analysis of what really is happening on the #Boeing737Max issue from my brother in law @davekammeyer, who’s a pilot, software engineer & deep thinker. Bottom line don’t blame software that’s the band aid for many other engineering and economic forces in effect.👇🎖🤔

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      2. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        Some people are calling the 737MAX tragedies a #software failure. Here's my response: It's not a software problem. It was an * Economic problem that the 737 engines used too much fuel, so they decided to install more efficient engines with bigger fans and make the 737MAX.

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      3. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        This led to an * Airframe problem. They wanted to use the 737 airframe for economic reasons, but needed more ground clearance with bigger engines.The 737 design can't be practically modified to have taller main landing gear. The solution was to mount them higher & more forward.

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      4. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        This led to an * Aerodynamic problem. The airframe with the engines mounted differently did not have adequately stable handling at high AoA to be certifiable. Boeing decided to create the MCAS system to electronically correct for the aircraft's handling deficiencies.

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      5. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        During the course of developing the MCAS, there was a * Systems engineering problem. Boeing wanted the simplest possible fix that fit their existing systems architecture, so that it required minimal engineering rework, and minimal new training for pilots and maintenance crews.

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      6. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        The easiest way to do this was to add some features to the existing Elevator Feel Shift system. Like the #EFS system, the #MCAS relies on non-redundant sensors to decide how much trim to add. Unlike the EFS system, MCAS can make huge nose down trim changes.

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      7. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        On both ill-fated flights, there was a: * Sensor problem. The AoA vane on the 737MAX appears to not be very reliable and gave wildly wrong readings. On #LionAir, this was compounded by a

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      8. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        * Maintenance practices problem. The previous crew had experienced the same problem and didn't record the problem in the maintenance logbook. This was compounded by a:

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      9. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        * Pilot training problem. On LionAir, pilots were never even told about the MCAS, and by the time of the Ethiopian flight, there was an emergency AD issued, but no one had done sim training on this failure. This was compounded by an:

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      10. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        * Economic problem. Boeing sells an option package that includes an extra AoA vane, and an AoA disagree light, which lets pilots know that this problem was happening. Both 737MAXes that crashed were delivered without this option. No 737MAX with this option has ever crashed.

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      11. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        All of this was compounded by a: * Pilot expertise problem. If the pilots had correctly and quickly identified the problem and run the stab trim runaway checklist, they would not have crashed.

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      12. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        Nowhere in here is there a software problem. The computers & software performed their jobs according to spec without error. The specification was just shitty. Now the quickest way for Boeing to solve this mess is to call up the software guys to come up with another band-aid.

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      13. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        I'm a software engineer, and we're sometimes called on to fix the deficiencies of mechanical or aero or electrical engineering, because the metal has already been cut or the molds have already been made or the chip has already been fabed, and so that problem can't be solved.

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      14. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 16

        But the software can always be pushed to the update server or reflashed. When the software band-aid comes off in a 500mph wind, it's tempting to just blame the band-aid. Follow @davekammeyer if you want to dig in.

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      2. Nick Walker‏ @nw3 Mar 17
        Replying to @trevorsumner @davekammeyer

        It troubles me when safety is traded off against economics. The regulators shouldn’t allow it.

        5 replies 3 retweets 34 likes
      3. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 17
        Replying to @nw3 @davekammeyer

        Isn’t there always a trade off? More safety devices and systems can always be added. Many may not economically tenable or have the perceived roi.

        10 replies 2 retweets 65 likes
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      5. Nick Walker‏ @nw3 Mar 17
        Replying to @ONECATSHORTOFCR @trevorsumner and

        I think the FAA should revoke the airworthiness certificate until they replace the engines.

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      7. Nick Walker‏ @nw3 Mar 17
        Replying to @ONECATSHORTOFCR @trevorsumner and

        It shouldn’t be up to their legal dept. The federal gov’t should say “do this”.

        2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      8. Trevor Sumner‏ @trevorsumner Mar 18
        Replying to @nw3 @ONECATSHORTOFCR and

        Well it’s all very nuanced. I would say it depends on the failure rates of the sensor and availability of training and corrective measures. These are hard problems to quantify.

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      9. Nick Walker‏ @nw3 Mar 18
        Replying to @trevorsumner @ONECATSHORTOFCR and

        What interesting is the involvement of the DOJ in the investigation. The credibility of the FAA is at stake.

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