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I helped start @workantile, couponed at @GrouponEng, now doing a startup thing @popularpays. @emberjs core team emeritus. @paul_irish once called me a hero

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    Trek Glowacki‏ @trek 24 Oct 2015

    Usually when I watch people who “don’t TDD” program, they’re TDDing in a browser/REPL/etc. Then throwing those tests away.

    4:43 PM - 24 Oct 2015 from Near North Side, Chicago
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      2. Jamison Dance‏ @jergason 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @trek

        @trek whoa.jpg

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      3. Trek Glowacki‏ @trek 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @jergason

        @jergasonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24yNNwYgvtU …

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      2. Keiþ Braiþvvaite‏ @keithb_b 25 Oct 2015
        Replying to @trek

        .@trek didn't @KentBeck say that SUnit (begat JUnit, begat…) began as a way to automatically check examples created in Smalltalk workspaces?

        1 reply 2 retweets 1 like
      3. Kent Beck‏Verified account @KentBeck 25 Oct 2015
        Replying to @keithb_b

        @keithb_b @trek you are correct, sirpic.twitter.com/ivYgJHP4hi

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      2. @vaguery@octodon.social‏ @Vaguery 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @trek

        .@trek I still run into people who imagine that if they used the modern equivalent of Hungarian notation, they wouldn't need to test.

        1 reply 4 retweets 1 like
      3. @twbrandt@a2mi.social‏ @twbrandt 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @Vaguery

        @Vaguery @trek when I was a CS student there were people claiming that compilers could verify code correctness, completeness.

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      4. Ron Jeffries‏ @RonJeffries 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @twbrandt

        @twbrandt these were called non-readers of computer science? :) @vaguery @trek

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      5. @vaguery@octodon.social‏ @Vaguery 24 Oct 2015
        Replying to @RonJeffries

        @RonJeffries @twbrandt @trek The illusion that code is ideal, and is some reflection of a Higher Truth, runs very deep in our culture.

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      6. Ron Jeffries‏ @RonJeffries 25 Oct 2015
        Replying to @Vaguery

        @vaguery well then our culture is composed primarily of idiots @twbrandt @trek

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      7. @vaguery@octodon.social‏ @Vaguery 25 Oct 2015
        Replying to @RonJeffries

        @RonJeffries @twbrandt @trek I thought that was a given.

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      1. Naupaka Zimmerman‏ @naupakaz 29 Oct 2015
        Replying to @trek

        Why write tests? b/c this MT @trek when I watch ppl who “don’t TDD”, they’re TDDing in browser/REPL/etc. Then throwing those tests away.

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      1. Jed Davis‏ @xlerb 24 Oct 2015
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        .@trek I threw the ad-hoc tests away because the test frameworks made it too hard / tedious / time-consuming to turn them into testcases.

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      1. Rahul P Nath‏ @rahulpnath 24 Oct 2015
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        @trek whenever you use the debugger or console. Write that is a missing test case

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      2. Darren Cauthon‏ @darrencauthon 24 Oct 2015
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        @trek @djbender And instead of dev driven by repeated pass/fail, it's driven by growing desperation & breaks of things that used to work.

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      3. Darren Cauthon‏ @darrencauthon 24 Oct 2015
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        @trek @djbender And instead of molding the code, one tiny change at a time, steady typing... Long pauses staring at big blocks of code.

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      1. raytiley‏ @raytiley 24 Oct 2015
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        @trek Sometimes throwing a test away is good :)

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      1. Abel Muiño‏ @amuino 25 Oct 2015
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        @trek that means TDD tools need to be as convenient as a browser/REPL/etc. Sad thing they're not there yet // @dvilchez

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      1. Daniel Steigerwald‏ @steida 25 Oct 2015
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        @trek @ploeh sure, because it's much faster to dev and if it works once it will work forever #tradeoff #useTddWhenItMakesSense

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      1. Josh Sandlin‏ @jpsandlin 24 Oct 2015
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        @trek thinking back to days past; I think this is a pretty accurate observation.

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      2. Alec Perkins‏ @alecperkins 29 Oct 2015
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        @trek @bitprophet if only TDD tools were as easy as opening a browser/REPL

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      3. Jeff "PAX  🔜" Forcier‏ @bitprophet 29 Oct 2015
        Replying to @alecperkins

        @alecperkins @trek I've yet to meet a TDD tool that was so hard to use it wasn't a clear investment win over "test manually forever" :)

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