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Historian. 19th/20th century US & Germany. JGU Mainz. Writing about 70s/80s cultural criticism, pop science, futurology. Book: Wires That Bind. http://thushistory.com 

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    Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

    Torsten Kathke Retweeted Dinesh D'Souza

    Yes, do read the Nazi 25 point program. The @GHIWashington has both the German original (http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=3910&language=german …) and an English translation (http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=3910&language=english …).https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1209182055860494342 …

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    Dinesh D'SouzaVerified account @DineshDSouza
    Read the Nazi 25 point program—state control of banks, of education, of churches, of industry—and then honestly answer: does this sound right-wing or left-wing? It’s not simply about the name, dummy! https://twitter.com/EnricoFermi18/status/1208989861887303683 …
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      2. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        I've discussed the whole thing at length before. Here's that thread: https://twitter.com/torstenkathke/status/1026088868037226497?s=20 … If you don't want to read the thread, the gist is attached as images here.pic.twitter.com/hpetkhJiHU

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      3. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        Note, to begin, that this program is from 1920. It was cribbed in part from the programs of other parties, and its seemingly socialist policies were largely abandoned after the Nazis rose to power. Here's more on the program from the @HolocaustMuseum:https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/defining-the-enemy …

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      4. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        Now, if you read the program, you will find that for the four things @DineshDSouza mentions – banks, education, churches, industry – one can make the argument that "state control" is the goal only for the topics of education and, to a degree, industry.

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      5. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        On education, the program says: "The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula…

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      6. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        …of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the notion of the State (through the study of civic affairs)."

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      7. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        On industry: "We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts)."

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      8. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        Also: "We demand… the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municipal orders."

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      9. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        Nationalize trusts, lease out communalized department stores to small traders. Why department stores? Many successful department stores had Jewish owners. Communalizing them and handing them over to "small traders" would ensure these stores were in the hands of Volks Germans.

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      10. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        On banks… well, banks aren't actually mentioned at all. What is mentioned is "the breaking of the slavery of interest" and the demand that "common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death". Very, very thinly veiled antisemitism here.

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      11. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        On churches… again, not mentioned specifically. But the program says: "We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend the moral feelings of the German race…

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      12. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us…" Now, tell me how that amounts to calling for state control?

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      13. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        And this is despite the fact that the program tried to win over voters who liked some socialist ideas. Nazi "socialism" could never be disentangled from its "völkisch rhetoric intended to appeal to masses of Germans."

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      14. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        The "read the 25 points" line is asking you to: A) assume that this program put together in 1920 stands for what "the Nazis" wanted, unchangingly through time, including from '33–'45, and

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      15. Torsten Kathke‏ @torstenkathke 23 Dec 2019

        B) believe that this fits with an accepted definition of socialism. Neither is true.

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