5. And so we have people scourging their bodies in different sects. The body is evil. The “split thinking” of Socrates carried right through to Descartes (mind/body), Kant (noumena/phenom), and beyond. This is partly why we’re still perplexed by conciousness today.
Again, the point is that this organisation is not some mysterious and inaccessible conciousness or soul abstracted from the body.
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But consciousness and perception do exist as at least an emergent phenomenon of the material. They're not epiphenomena.
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I don’t know what consciousness is. I don’t think anybody does. I don’t know whether what you assert is true or not. What grounds for that statement? I think the Heraclitan answer is that they are/are not...or simply it just “is”.
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You can perceive consciousness, so you know it exists.
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What perceives you perceiving you? “It seems to me that I know, what it is that I know that I know, but what I would like to see, is the ‘I’ that knows me, when I know that I know that I know.
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Irrelevant-we know something exists, even if we can't define it. In fact, it's the only thing we are certain exists.
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“There’s this thing I want to tell you about.” “Great! What does it look like, smell like, taste like?” “No, no. There’s this thing I can’t define, though it’s the essence of particular things” “But you can’t tell me anything about it?” “No, but it definitely exists!”
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Yep, exactly.
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I don’t buy this.
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