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    1. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 30

      1. Basic situation as I see it is this, God got it in the neck for the following reasons: a. Kant reduced demonstrations for his existence to a shakey moral inference. b. Philologists shredded the Bible so the text became unstable c. Voltaire & co mocked the inconsistencies.

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    2. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 30

      2. d. Darwin knocked out the natural history side of it. Genetics accelerated this. What’s left is, at best, the Taleb, Jung & Peterson approach. Taleb says religion encodes useful nowledge. Jung & Peterson say it’s psychologically true, i.e. ....

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    3. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 30

      3. ...you’ve got believe in something, and it’s better to believe in this tried and tested thing than, say, communism, which has worse outcomes. The problem is that there’s more than psych truth. I also know that religion rests on shakey ideas.

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    4. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 30

      4. Even if I know it’s a psychological necessity, and there’s a need for the numinous. Further problem, it turns out that religion—Xtianity in particular—was a hidden animating force for the Enlightenment and science, because it prioritised truth.

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    5. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
      Replying to @tomxhart

      I'm instinctively inclined to agree with the claim that Christianity prioritises truth and therefore caused its own downfall, but the details mostly escape me. How would you convince a sceptic?

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      Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
      Replying to @IDJennings

      Read Nietzsche? This chap (@vncvrrentevents) has a quite nice summary of the historical aspect: http://cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/viewFile/518/894 … I may have misunderstood you. I’m assuming you mean a sceptic of this thesis, not Xtianity?

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        2. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @vncvrrentevents

          One further thought: Would this self-destructive tendency in Christianity apply to the other major monotheisms? If yes, how to account for their (somewhat) different historical trajectories? Islam, for one, appears to be ascendant, although that may of course be illusory.

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        3. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
          Replying to @IDJennings @vncvrrentevents

          I don’t know. It strikes me that Judaism stresses adherence to law and Islam stresses obedience to the will of God (there is also an Islamic school of thought that says taqiyya, lying to enemies, is moral). It seems only Christianity priorities truth in particularly.

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        4. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @vncvrrentevents

          I'd be curious as to whether insiders see these emphases the same way, and, in case of Christianity, whether parts of the sacred texts (or practices etc. central to the religion) provide support for Nietzsche's thesis.

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        5. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
          Replying to @IDJennings @vncvrrentevents

          I read the Bible every day, I think so. The problem with “insiders” is that they can’t be honest. Can a priest, a Rabbi, a liberal (degraded Xtian), or an Imam be really honest about what they think of their faith—esp. to an outsider? Their roles prohibit this very thought.

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        6. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @vncvrrentevents

          My thought was a bit more straightforward. I’m interested in whether the Nietzschean thesis can be supported by Christian texts that explicitly prioritise truth in the relevant way.

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        7. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
          Replying to @IDJennings @vncvrrentevents

          I think the New Testatment is mostly about this. Jesus comes as a force against law (the Pharisees & Rome) and for something higher, which seems to me to be redemption found in truth & love. Speaking this is the highest good, and higher than religious law or the laws of state.

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        8. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @IDJennings @vncvrrentevents

          It’s embodied in the Christian motto: “Cor ad cor loquitur”. This is literally about having a heart-to-heart with God. The love of God arises from speaking sincerely and truthfully with Him.

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        2. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @vncvrrentevents

          No, no, you've read me correctly. Have just begun ploughing through the 3rd book of The Gay Science, so I may find what I'm looking for there. Any other Nietzsche sources you can think of off the top of your head?

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        3. Tom X Hart‏ @tomxhart Jul 31
          Replying to @IDJennings @vncvrrentevents

          No, I can’t. I have read the Gay Science, but I’m not sure it’s in there. It was drilled into me by a comic book crib of Nietzsche as a teenager, perhaps it’s a misrepresentation of his view. @nastyinmuhtaxi & @UntergangMindst know Nietzsche well & may provide precise quotes.

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        1. Ian Jennings‏ @IDJennings Jul 31
          Replying to @tomxhart @vncvrrentevents

          And thanks for the link.

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