Watching Joe Rogan discuss female MMA with Steve-O is sort of an advert for everything people might see as degraded in America. Two men delighting in women “beating the shit” out of each other. There’s something very ugly and jaded about it. It’s no wonder people join IS.
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Replying to @tomxhart
Haven't seen the clip in question but knowing Joe I imagine he was appreciating the fight the same way someone appreciates Olympics-level athletics. It's not so much about the violence as it is the talent and skill of the activity (I don't watch sports tho so maybe I'm off base)
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Replying to @jbthazard
I don’t know. We’re not really in a position to make a judgement in modernity. However, standing back and thinking from a religious or archaic perspective, this would be horrifying to large swathes of humanity. “The barbarians make their women fight for their entertainment.”
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Replying to @tomxhart @jbthazard
Islam, for example, is quite against boxing. I once attended a boxing match in London’s East End. There was a Sudanese guy who had been dragged there by his Irish boss. He was trying to get into it, but in his heart he knew it was haram and didn’t like it. It was ugly to him.
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Replying to @tomxhart
Combat sports definitely require regulation and all participants should be willing. And as far as I know, women athletes, in the West at least, voluntarily pursue those ambitions.
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Replying to @jbthazard
This is part of the problem of the West. We’re obsessed with the idea that so long as we do something voluntarily, ”consensually”, it’s okay. It originates with JS Mill. It doesn’t make sense if you think about the wider chains of what a human is.
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Replying to @tomxhart
Again, regulations. Just because sometimes 10 year olds "consent" to be intimate with pedophiliac predators doesn't make it okay. On the other hand if someone voluntarily ruins their life via, say, addictive tendencies that doesn't impact others, I can't say I wish to interfere
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Replying to @jbthazard
Practically, we don’t have any system of virtue or any systems that we can impose that move beyond efficiency. So there’s unlikely to be a change. However, if modernity is itself unsustainable the traditional forms of religion will reassert themselves in the long term.
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Replying to @tomxhart
Big agree. We just have to wait and see what natural selection, so to speak, will decide
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That’s the thing. It’s like natural selection to an extent... but humans have a degree of intentionality (could convert to a religion if we wisheD). We can alter our environment and adapt to that altered environment. The question of the good life remains open.
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