Watching Joe Rogan discuss female MMA with Steve-O is sort of an advert for everything people might see as degraded in America. Two men delighting in women “beating the shit” out of each other. There’s something very ugly and jaded about it. It’s no wonder people join IS.
The problem with this argument, Mill’s “self-referential act”, is that “no man is an island”. The idea that someone ruining themselves with drugs only affects himself is not true, they damage family, friends & society. This liberal approach relies on an atomistic fiction.
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Of course but pain is unavoidable in any given decision. A voluntary suicide bereaves a family, a student who wants to study music disappoints a family who wanted them to be a doctor. I'm not particularly interested in reducing overall suffering in the world. It's a fool's errand
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I think you’d have to discriminate between displeasure and pain. I don’t think pain is unavoidable, but whether pain is desirable or not in any circumstance is open to question. Pain may, in certain circumstances, be desirable.
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I agree, it's why I switched over to the word "suffering" in subsequent tweets
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