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    1. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23

      (2) Integration. I don't want an integration policy that has 52% support and 48% against. Too polarised on this issue I want practical ideas that get a strong cross-ethnic consensus. 66%-75% of people do back important steps to build common groundhttp://www.britishfuture.org/articles/integration-green-paper-a-foundation-for-an-all-of-us-approach/ …

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    2. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23

      nb even when 75% of people back a common ground integration strategy (important & can depolarise), there is still fence-sitting & opposition. We did not expect to reach into core racist group at Britain First or some Anjem Choudary fans with our popular inclusive positive agenda

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    3. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23

      So (3) tackling prejudice and extremism is a different project. We need ethical approaches that can reach into potentially rejectionist groups and defuse that threat, or which isolate, contain & police violence from the unreachable hardcore.

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    4. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23

      All 3 of these projects matter & to some extent mutually reinforcing when done well over time. I think understanding how different things can happen at once (more pro-migrant attitudes; persistent threat from racist extremes) could give us more effective anti-racism interventions

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    5. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 23
      Replying to @sundersays

      I find the use of medical language such as “intervention” quite disturbing. Why do anti-progressive narratives around mass migration (which to you is racism, rather than prejudice / dislike due to race) need “intervention”? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union …

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    6. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
      Replying to @tomdupresh

      I think we do & must intervene against forms of extremism that legitimise and incite violence. For example, Isis. Part of that is policing, part of it is an extreme ideology of al-Maharajoun. Much the same can also be said of Eltham's racist & murderous Acort twins in 1993.

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    7. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
      Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh

      Since you told me you wish to oppose racism, I'd be puzzled if you wouldnt acknowledge that the gang who committed the Lawrence murder were motivated by racism. So can we agree gvt should keep citizens safe from both Islamist & white far right murderers with ideological motives?

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    8. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 23
      Replying to @sundersays

      I’m not an expert on the case, but I’d agree the Lawrence murders and other cases such as Kris Donald were indeed motivated by race-hate, which must be opposed. You falsely link these crimes to “attitudes” - support / rejection of multiculturalism and replacement immigration

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    9. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
      Replying to @tomdupresh

      I linked the murders to racism. We have seen the videos of Acorts, playing with knives & talking about cutting up all the n-words in Catford. As it happens, they also specifically did say Enoch was right to send them all back while doing their stabbing practice game.

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    10. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
      Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh

      An interesting boundary for you. They praised Powell, as you do. Your ideas about 'replacement'; they said similar things. Yet they are also violent racists, but you say you oppose racism. If people like that take an interest in GI, do you turn them away? Or is that a bit PC?

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      I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 23
      Replying to @sundersays

      We block them from coming, and if one slips through we kick them immediately. That has no place in GI

      3:44 AM - 23 May 2018
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        2. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
          Replying to @tomdupresh

          Its good to hear you want an anti-racism boundary. I shall observe with interest what your understanding of what falls outside that. I predict difficulties on this front with your having a pan-European project, but let us see who your allies at home & abroad turn out to be.

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        3. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 23
          Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh

          Would your problem with Anders Breivik mainly be the murders - or was it his ideology too? I'm no expert on GI. I struggle to see any enormous differences between the bits I've heard from GI & what he thinks he was trying to argue for. Is it a similar worldview or v.different?

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        4. Victorious By Terror‏ @VictoryByTerror May 23
          Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh

          Radically different (pardon the pun). A lot of people seem to confuse NatSocs with other Rightists.

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