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    1. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      Still, we all know that the main reason you will not stand is that you would fail miserably & expose your unpopularity. I can not blame you for weaving an elaborate Theory of Change to distract from that basic problem.

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    2. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      Why did opinions change on gay rights in the period 85 - 05 in your view? Certainly wasn’t the governments of the period...

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    3. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      The very rapid change in UK median opinion mostly happened after 1999 if you were to check the BSA data series. Certainly Stonewall and Eastenders and some elected politicians (eg GLC) played an important role prior to that when it was a more contentious issue.

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    4. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh @ukonward

      I guess you are probably much too young to recall or know that the 1997 govt, including first gay Cabinet minister (first out gay MP back in 1985), certainly played a significant role well before 2005.

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    5. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      But those things were unthinkable in, say, 1960. My question to you is what changed? I want to know if you believe in some magic “progress”, “zeitgeist” or whatever, or do you acknowledge social change comes through activism, usually driven by small groups initially

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    6. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      On gay rights, lots of factors pre & post decriminalisation. Cultural activism certainly part of it. I suspect you rather underestimate the importance of personal & family social contact in shifting attitudes and entrenching the shift. Can you reverse that? It seems difficult

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    7. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      Not trying to reverse it, as I’m sure you know

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    8. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      I didn't know. Why not? You have to remember like most people, I have heard almost zip about you. Am aware of a bit of pissing around on boats in the Med with pan-European racists & noelw this curious idea that hipster racism is somehow less toxic; not more annoying.

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    9. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      Apologies, we don’t think it’s an important issue; unlike mass immigration that’s been going on forever!

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    10. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      You contradict yourself. You were noting the social shift was in the last 3 decades & was "unthinkable" in 1960 a few minutes ago. Its a more recent & more rapid shift than race. Still, good to see the retreat from your group's recent intellectual antecedents

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      I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      I don’t mean the change in views has been going on forever, I mean the activity itself. attitudes on that are linked to Christianity more than anything in Europe. Interestingly young people in London are now more “conservative” on this issue, due in part to migration.

      3:35 PM - 21 May 2018
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        2. DANIEL‏ @D__L__T May 21
          Replying to @tomdupresh @sundersays @ukonward

          Think Proff @epkaufm's work here is the pivot, demonstrating that once folk are made aware of demographic reality a significant shift in opinion happens: best strategy for GI w/Great Replacement frame. Best opp strat is to ctrl availability of this data.https://policyexchange.org.uk/why-culture-trumps-skills-public-opinion-on-immigration/ …

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        3. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
          Replying to @D__L__T @sundersays and

          Interesting read thanks

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        4. DANIEL‏ @D__L__T May 21
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          I've had many enjoyable spars with Sunder - this one seems eerily similar! https://twitter.com/D__L__T/status/990544555677310976?s=19 …

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