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    1. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      I might take your arguments about what people want a little bit more seriously if you stood for Parliament on a Generation Identity platform and managed to save a single deposit anywhere.

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    2. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      You’ve badly misunderstood our strategy

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    3. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      Au contraire. Indifference to the ballot box seems a perfectly rational *tactic* given that a very mutual indifference towards you. The idea that you would shun the ballot box for reasons of "strategy" if your ideas were as popular as you try to spin seems rather risible.

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    4. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      We’re not a political party, our aim is to shift public opinion and frame debates through our activism. Party politics rarely influences public opinion - maybe UKIP are the only contemporary exception

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    5. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      V.unconvincing claim indeed about party politics. So many counter-examples. SNP. Thatcher. Trump. Some social issues, eg transformation of attitudes to gay rights about govts, parties & civil society.

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    6. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      Would Trump have been possible without the Tea Party, the kamikaze campaigns by Ron Paul and other libertarians, (more controversially) the alt-right etc? Political activism made that possible. Ditto controlling language around immigration “aliens” etc. Not led by politicians

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    7. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      Still, we all know that the main reason you will not stand is that you would fail miserably & expose your unpopularity. I can not blame you for weaving an elaborate Theory of Change to distract from that basic problem.

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    8. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      Why did opinions change on gay rights in the period 85 - 05 in your view? Certainly wasn’t the governments of the period...

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    9. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

      The very rapid change in UK median opinion mostly happened after 1999 if you were to check the BSA data series. Certainly Stonewall and Eastenders and some elected politicians (eg GLC) played an important role prior to that when it was a more contentious issue.

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    10. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh @ukonward

      I guess you are probably much too young to recall or know that the 1997 govt, including first gay Cabinet minister (first out gay MP back in 1985), certainly played a significant role well before 2005.

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      I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
      Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

      But those things were unthinkable in, say, 1960. My question to you is what changed? I want to know if you believe in some magic “progress”, “zeitgeist” or whatever, or do you acknowledge social change comes through activism, usually driven by small groups initially

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        2. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
          Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

          On gay rights, lots of factors pre & post decriminalisation. Cultural activism certainly part of it. I suspect you rather underestimate the importance of personal & family social contact in shifting attitudes and entrenching the shift. Can you reverse that? It seems difficult

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        3. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
          Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

          Not trying to reverse it, as I’m sure you know

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        4. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
          Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

          I didn't know. Why not? You have to remember like most people, I have heard almost zip about you. Am aware of a bit of pissing around on boats in the Med with pan-European racists & noelw this curious idea that hipster racism is somehow less toxic; not more annoying.

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        5. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
          Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

          Apologies, we don’t think it’s an important issue; unlike mass immigration that’s been going on forever!

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        6. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
          Replying to @tomdupresh @ukonward

          You contradict yourself. You were noting the social shift was in the last 3 decades & was "unthinkable" in 1960 a few minutes ago. Its a more recent & more rapid shift than race. Still, good to see the retreat from your group's recent intellectual antecedents

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        7. I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS‏ @tomdupresh May 21
          Replying to @sundersays @ukonward

          Who do you think our antecedents are?

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        8. Sunder Katwala‏ @sundersays May 21
          Replying to @tomdupresh

          You tell me who your intellectual antecedents are. Your Sunday Times arguments owe much to Powellism; the attempt to scrub up with a new look seems to me reminiscent of Jorg Haider

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        9. Axel Antoni‏ @antoni_UK May 22
          Replying to @sundersays @tomdupresh

          As much as I agree with you that GI is a bunch of neo-fascist losers with no balls to stand up to electorial scrutiny I must say that they are very successful in influencing some circles around the @spectator. Aided by what I can only assume to be Russia & Hungary's @Fideszmpsz

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