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Tobie Langel
Tobie Langel
Tobie Langel
@tobie

Tobie Langel

@tobie

Web standards & open source consultant.

Joined April 2007
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    1. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

      The horror of trying to find actual information in specifications and dev networks. So far MS is more helpful than W3C and Moz combined.

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    2. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015 Geneva, Switzerland

      @ppk working on something to help alleviate these issues. Would love to hear more about your use case.

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    3. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

      @tobie I want a list of stuff I need to test for a DOM CSS (OM) test suite. It's getting harder and harder to find that kind of information.

      0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015 Geneva, Switzerland

      @ppk whereby "list of stuff" you mean…?

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    5. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

      @tobie Methods and properties with a little bit of explanation. Specs used to be decent that way, but nowadays they're gibberish.

      0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015 Geneva, Switzerland

      @ppk so WebIDL plus defs of each prop/method? Thanks.

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    7. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

      @tobie Just a quick description + code example. Especially a code example. I don't care about webIDL, but I know W3C does.

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    8. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015 Geneva, Switzerland

      @ppk browser vendors do! (Afaik they use it to somewhat automate C++ bindings.)

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    9. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

      @tobie The webIDL is not the issue, the lack of practical code examples is.

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      Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015

      @ppk I've always wondered what could make WebIDL more palatable to devs, so that missing examples wouldn't be so much of an issue.

      3:15 AM - 4 Mar 2015
      Geneva, Switzerland
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        1. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

          @tobie Don't do it. Do both. Two target audiences, two types of examples/clarifications.

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        2. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015 Geneva, Switzerland

          @ppk in an ideal World… truth is, not enough resources.

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        4. Peter-Paul Koch ‏@ppk 4 Mar 2015

          @tobie Then web devs will turn elsewhere for explanations. But a simple code example would suffice.

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        5. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015

          @ppk I know. Editors consider their audience is implementors. :-/

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        6. Steve Faulkner ‏@stevefaulkner 4 Mar 2015 Sugar Land, TX

          @tobie @ppk I don't consider them as primary audience, hence I front load the web developer advice e.g. https://specs.webplatform.org/html-aria/webspecs/master/ …

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        7. Tobie Langel ‏@tobie 4 Mar 2015

          @stevefaulkner well, accessibility specs are a lot more targeted at authors so that somewhat explains it. @ppk

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        8. Steve Faulkner ‏@stevefaulkner 4 Mar 2015 Sugar Land, TX

          @tobie @ppk partially, am planning on redoing the elements/attributes of HTML... & work with other spec editors e.g. http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/custom/#semantics …

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