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    Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5

    Holy smokes: big randomized trial of intensive "restorative justice" program-(kinder gentler discipline to replace suspensions) in Pittsburgh schools finds statistically sig negative impacts on achievement & *large* negative impacts for Af-Amer students https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2800/RR2840/RAND_RR2840.pdf …pic.twitter.com/39GhSBuSTl

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      2. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5

        Congratulations, Obama Administration school discipline polices (see this Dear Colleague letter pushing for instantiation of "restorative justice programs"), you, uh, increased the average racial achievement gap in Pittsburgh schools by 37%. https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201401-title-vi.html …

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      3. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5

        This is an excellent account of a Bronx school implementing related policies where things went disastrously wrong:https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-in-new-york-city-school-where-a-teenager-was-killed-students-educators-say-lax-discipline-led-to-bullying-chaos-and-death/ …

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      4. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5

        pic.twitter.com/vyrilRE7RY

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      5. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6

        This follows a study of LAUSD that found large negative impacts of the policy on schools that previously had nonzero suspensions, zero effects on schools that previously had no suspensions. https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-31604750/documents/5a5d611508bebYkqCfSh/Diss%20Suspensions.pdf …pic.twitter.com/slFjQdzO42

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      6. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6

        And in Philadelphia, students who had never had suspensions had decreased performance, and even the reduction in suspensions was partially offset by an increase in more serious incidents. http://edex.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/publication/pdfs/(12.05)%20The%20Academic%20and%20Behavioral%20Consequences%20of%20Discipline%20Policy%20Reform%20Evidence%20from%20Philadelphia.pdf …pic.twitter.com/oYNCegGfiA

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      7. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6

        Great writeup from @maxeden99 , who has been doing great investigative work on this topic. https://edexcellence.net/articles/restorative-justice-isnt-working-but-thats-not-what-the-media-is-reporting …pic.twitter.com/SBZIopLNmW

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      8. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6

        Gates Foundation&US Dept of Ed gave Pittsburgh insane $78 million over last 10yrs to develop fancy measures of teacher quality,incldng detailed student surveys called TRIPOD:results in all 7 dimensions-includng"does this teacher care about me"v bad for restorative justice schoolspic.twitter.com/9m5iAjtLSo

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      2. Tucker Doherty‏Verified account @tucker_doherty Feb 5
        Replying to @toad_spotted

        Interesting that the negative effect on achievement was allegedly school-specific, not subgroup-specific within each school...pic.twitter.com/IovCPYRkvQ

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      3. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5
        Replying to @tucker_doherty

        Yes, interesting- seems analogous to this study of Katrina evacuees in Houston schools, which argued that a fairly small number of misbehaving kids could have outsized impacts on both student behavior and achievement. https://www.nber.org/papers/w15291.pdf …pic.twitter.com/HR5RRi0Fq4

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      4. Tucker Doherty‏Verified account @tucker_doherty Feb 5
        Replying to @toad_spotted

        Since the effect on suspensions was for elementary grades only, but the effect on achievement was for middle grades -- mostly rules out a simple story of "we stopped suspending disruptive bad apples and then they disrupted learning for the other students," right?

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      5. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5
        Replying to @tucker_doherty

        I dunno, I have to read the report more closely, but if they're reducing removal from the classroom in general,could be broader category of which formal suspensions are fairly small part. In most schools, getting kicked out to the dean's office happens 100X as often as suspension

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      6. TheClimbTo1‏ @TheClimbTo1 Feb 5
        Replying to @toad_spotted @tucker_doherty

        Could you give a condensed summary? Like, what is this exactly?

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      7. Tucker Doherty‏Verified account @tucker_doherty Feb 5
        Replying to @TheClimbTo1 @toad_spotted

        Some educators say it's better to build more forgiving relationships with bad behaving kids rather than suspend them. Obama admin encouraged schools to try it out. An experiment trying this at random schools suggests the new policy lowered average test scores at some schools.

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      8. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5
        Replying to @tucker_doherty @TheClimbTo1

        Fair enough but I recommend reading this account of a Bronx school trying to implement this where things when very very wronghttps://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-in-new-york-city-school-where-a-teenager-was-killed-students-educators-say-lax-discipline-led-to-bullying-chaos-and-death/ …

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      2. Aidan Echols‏ @harridanechoes Feb 5
        Replying to @toad_spotted

        Counterpoint: Lowering the suspension rate was found to... lower suspension rates!https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2019/01/28/Beyond-punishment-Restorative-practices-pay-off-for-Pittsburgh-schools/stories/201901280013 …

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      3. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 5
        Replying to @harridanechoes

        I’m genuinely upset tho I shouldn’t be by how many researchers/journalists are trying to spin this report as a win for the policy

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      2. MechaBonaldMkV 🇻🇦 🐋‏ @IgnatiusUnderh2 Feb 6
        Replying to @toad_spotted @rSanti97

        My mom is a librarian in NYC public schools and, while this is anecdotal, she’ll tell you that the anti-suspension policy has been awful. Extremely poorly behaved students aren’t disciplined so principals can meet their numbers and it ruins the classroom environment for everyone.

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      3. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6
        Replying to @IgnatiusUnderh2 @rSanti97

        Yeah, the irony is that the Pittsburgh program was probably among the *best* implemented, which is why they chose it for the evaluation in the schools they did- unlike in most places (https://edexcellence.net/articles/restorative-justice-isnt-working-but-thats-not-what-the-media-is-reporting … ), Pittsburgh teachers seemed to have actually liked it to some degree.

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      2. "This is my Sponsor at Pussy Overeaters Anonymous"‏ @CromwellForever Feb 6
        Replying to @toad_spotted

        Need a school where kids are held in place with magnets

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      3. Spotted Toad‏ @toad_spotted Feb 6
        Replying to @CromwellForever

        Raul Julia’s last and greatest role foretold of this yeshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZOux_mM5c …

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