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Hand wavey architecture, fist pounding code.

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    1. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      Fødor Indutny Retweeted Maciej Małecki

      If io.js was born out of issues with node.js governance, when will “ion” (?) be created to address issues with npm. I suppose it should run on IPFS, and major players should help host it. Could future OpenJS Foundation (or other body) support the development of such system?https://twitter.com/maciejmalecki/status/1112401262392283137 …

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      Maciej Małecki @maciejmalecki
      Here's an ugly, full-circle kind of thought that's been rearing its head in my brain for a few days, re #npmlayoffs. I've noticed folks worried about continuity of the npm's registry. The last time this happened was ~2013, when registry was so unstable, mirrors had to be stood up
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    2. Trevor Livingston‏ @tlivings Apr 1
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      Been thinking about this very thing. But I wonder what the costs are per year?

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    3. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      Seems like networking alone might use around 500 petabytes per month, if the stats here are accurate: https://www.npmjs.com/  Downloads · Last Month 47,901,977,476

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    4. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      As bad as it sounds it is just 500$ monthly bill if they are hosted on S3. Calculating computational costs is whole different story, though. Mean requests per second should be around 20-30k. I suppose peaks could be at least twice that. If pessimistically server…

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    5. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      …would be capable of processing only 1k RPS. That means around 50-60 servers to handle occasional spikes in requests.

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    6. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      Suppose that each server would run on c4.large instance or something. That’s about $ 5k per month. Very roughly, it might take around $ 72k per year to just paying for the hosting. Paying developers for supporting it is whole different story, though.

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    7. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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      @ceejbot how wildly did I underestimate it, if you don’t mind commenting on this? 😅

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      Trevor Livingston‏ @tlivings Apr 1
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      Also, if I recall, a lot of fronting APIs moved to cloudflare workers? Wonder how much that costs at that hit rate. Anyway, considering membership costs of other Linux Foundation groups, it seems like this would be doable.

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        2. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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          I think I’m very much off with S3 costs… They should be much larger per month.

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        3. Fødor Indutny‏Verified account @indutny Apr 1
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          Yeah, I didn’t take in account price per request. This might add $ 20k per month to S3 bill. So the total is more like $ 300k per year, unless I missed something else too.

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        2. Trevor Livingston‏ @tlivings Apr 1
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          Also, seems like npm should just hand over the public registry to a foundation anyway. They can’t monetize it, it’s just overhead. Offload it, double down on their private registry and enterprise offerings.

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          npm’s VC pitch is about the growth and ownership of an ecosystem that can be monetised if they lost that their valuation would crumble. worse case scenario they wouldn’t be able to fund raise again , thus bankrupt or doing services

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