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Somewhat functional assortment of 7 billion billion billion atoms. Astrophysicist.

Cambridge, MA
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    Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

    (1/7) So apparently some (I hope very few) people online are using the fact that I am the primary developer of the eht-imaging software library (https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging …) to launch awful and sexist attacks on my colleague and friend Katie Bouman. Stop.

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      2. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (2/7) Our papers used three independent imaging software libraries (including one developed by my friend @sparse_k). While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and

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      3. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (3/7) the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data. With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ab0e85 …);

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      4. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (4/7) as a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's leadership in STEM. I'm also thrilled she's pointing

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      5. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (5/7) out that this was a team effort including contributions from many junior scientists, including many women junior scientists (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213326021042929&set=a.10211451091290857&type=3&theater …). Together, we all make each other's work better; the number of commits doesn't tell the full story of who was indispensable.

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      6. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (6/7) So while I appreciate the congratulations on a result that I worked hard on for years, if you are congratulating me because you have a sexist vendetta against Katie, please go away and reconsider your priorities in life. Otherwise, stick around -- I hope to start tweeting

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      7. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (7/7) more about black holes and other subjects I am passionate about -- including space, being a gay astronomer, Ursula K. Le Guin, architecture, and musicals. Thanks for following me, and let me know if you have any questions about the EHT! 😀📡🕳️pic.twitter.com/mCWbNhfySl

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      8. Andrew Chael‏ @thisgreyspirit Apr 11

        (Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)

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      2. Triston Lee‏ @Triston_Bowman Apr 11
        Replying to @thisgreyspirit

        Of course she deserves credit but spinning it into a female success story is forcing a narrative on a project that many other faces including yourself deserve just as much if not more credit for. Thank you for clarifying facts but I still believe you deserve recognition

        260 replies 46 retweets 744 likes
      3. Claudia the Wine Aunt‏ @RantingF Apr 11
        Replying to @Triston_Bowman @thisgreyspirit

        No one is saying he didn't contribute to the project. The articles I saw were just highlighting her as a woman in STEM who was a part of the team that worked on this. Katie herself has also been attacked really unfairly by sexists over this. She never claimed full credit for this

        21 replies 47 retweets 3,920 likes
      4. Triston Lee‏ @Triston_Bowman Apr 11
        Replying to @RantingF @thisgreyspirit

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-47891902 … Multiple articles are spinning it to sound like she alone did this. Everyone deserves credit and pushing the idea she alone did it is in itself, sexist

        165 replies 25 retweets 457 likes
      5. Buzz Alderaan‏ @ox2si Apr 12
        Replying to @Triston_Bowman @RantingF @thisgreyspirit

        This is the case with almost every scientific finding or event that reaches the lay press. The principal investigator does the talking. And the press oversimplifies it. "The man behind this", "scientist does that". The fact that you are *only now* bothered by it is significant.

        74 replies 571 retweets 10,835 likes
      6. Jack Straw‏ @jack_straw_man Apr 12
        Replying to @ox2si @Triston_Bowman and

        Bingo

        3 replies 1 retweet 762 likes
      7. Hυηт and your wife‏ @CRHUN7 Apr 12
        Replying to @jack_straw_man @ox2si and

        I hate that game

        0 replies 1 retweet 32 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. John Dee‏ @johndee15270713 Apr 11
        Replying to @thisgreyspirit @mattgodbolt

        Unless I misunderstood, a team of people did the massive amount of work together yet one of them gets the spotlight because she’s a woman and the ideology needs to propagate. It’s terribly sad that she’s being used as a tool.

        86 replies 26 retweets 251 likes
      3. Steven Burton‏ @StevenB59075428 Apr 11
        Replying to @johndee15270713 @thisgreyspirit @mattgodbolt

        I’m trying to understand what you mean. Every science article that I have read from reputable scientific sources listed the head, and the team. If you are talking about news outlets, and not places to actually learn about their discovery, please stop.

        10 replies 4 retweets 1,243 likes
      4. John Dee‏ @johndee15270713 Apr 11
        Replying to @StevenB59075428 @thisgreyspirit @mattgodbolt

        Please stop... what exactly? Stop having an opinion? Stop being annoyed by the fact that these agendas are being pushed in science and engineering despite having rather detrimental effects to the quality of discourse? Media took the bait and ran with it ad nauseam. Sad it is.

        58 replies 0 retweets 145 likes
      5. Joe Santos‏ @JS_ElecEngineer Apr 12
        Replying to @johndee15270713 @StevenB59075428 and

        /1 The media will always oversimplify things but i encourage you to read them. They're not saying she is the only one who created this. Here are the top results i found: Vox: "This week, a group of scientists unveiled the first-ever image of a black hole"

        3 replies 7 retweets 592 likes
      6. Joe Santos‏ @JS_ElecEngineer Apr 12
        Replying to @JS_ElecEngineer @johndee15270713 and

        2/ The Guardian: three years ago, she led the creation of an algorithm that would eventually lead to an image of a supermassive black hole...Bouman was among a team of 200 researchers who contributed to the breakthrough...

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      7. Joe Santos‏ @JS_ElecEngineer Apr 12
        Replying to @JS_ElecEngineer @johndee15270713 and

        Its not that people are trying to spin a narrative. It's just that a few very excited people shared her photo and it went viral. The non scientists may overstate her role but she didn't. She's very humble from what the article shows.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/science/katie-bouman-black-hole.html …

        5 replies 9 retweets 779 likes
      8. John Dee‏ @johndee15270713 Apr 12
        Replying to @JS_ElecEngineer @StevenB59075428 and

        I wish you were right but how else did we end up in this conversation? It’s been very instructive for me, I’m starting to have a feel for how these things work

        27 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
      9. 𝙹. 𝚁𝚢𝚊𝚗‏ @queersttarot Apr 12
        Replying to @johndee15270713 @JS_ElecEngineer and

        This sounds like misogyny trying to masquerade as eloquence and philosophical discourse. Would you make these comments if the lead was a male? No?

        22 replies 35 retweets 1,643 likes
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