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Gregory Marks
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PhD student writing on Thomas Pynchon and the Posthuman Gothic. Literary & critical theory, aesthetics, ecology. All views are my own, etc. 🐙‼️🤖

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    Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13

    Hot take: Social media is the means by which all relationships become parasocial. Even if you know a personal IRL, your interaction with them online is asymmetrical, because you only ever interact with a curated version of them: affection directed toward a shadow.

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      2. d t b‏ @impliedreader Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld

        how do you know I don't do the same thing irl

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      3. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @impliedreader

        Because a parasocial relationship is necessarily one-sided and mediated: one party is a spectator via mass media to the actions of another. One can be fake or secretive IRL, but the interaction is still immediate and conversational.

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      4. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @impliedreader

        Whether or not there is an easy division between mediated images and "reality" is a whole other problem, of course. Society of the spectacle, hyperreality, etc.

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      5. Spooky Ecomarxist Bf  🎃‏ @GoodBoyMachine Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @impliedreader

        At what point does IRL interaction become indistinguishable from parasocial interaction is my question

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      6. Spooky Ecomarxist Bf  🎃‏ @GoodBoyMachine Sep 13
        Replying to @GoodBoyMachine @thewastedworld @impliedreader

        Oh also, I wonder if this applies to messaging apps the way it does to social media, since messaging is conversational even though I'm sure the medium affects the way the conversation takes place

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      7. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @GoodBoyMachine @impliedreader

        I'm mostly thinking of the big social media platforms here. For instance, my primary interaction with Facebook or Instagram is a passive, unidirectional "like" -- reducing the social to the parasocial -- whereas Messenger, while limited in its own ways, is a two-way street.

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      8. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @GoodBoyMachine @impliedreader

        I think Twitter provides a good range of examples: The comments under a celebrity's post are typically parasocial; smaller friend groups are social; but often the division is blurred, as mid-sized accounts effect an appearance of intimacy through maintenance of a personal brand.

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      9. ͟͞ө͟͟͞͞ı͟͟͞͞|͟͟͞͞ѿ͟͟͞͞|͟͟͞͞ı͟͞ө͟͞‏ @tobias_ewe Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @GoodBoyMachine @impliedreader

        'Blurred' is the crucial term here. I think "all relationships become parasocial" is far too general to include the variety of ways people navigate their digital relationships. The argument seems to fall into a trap of extrapolating universality from particulars.

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      2. Bryce Allen‏ @pleaselikebryce Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld

        I agree irl interactions aren't premeditated but the instantaneous nature of response we correlated with sincerity always read to me much more insincere, as if the response devolved into the persons belief of how a person like them should respond in a socially accepted manner.

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      3. Bryce Allen‏ @pleaselikebryce Sep 13
        Replying to @pleaselikebryce @thewastedworld

        Even with the dishonesty found everywhere on the Internet, I believe it gives us a better more broader scope of a persons character and how they see themselves or want to be portrayed. Achievable if you yourself have learned to "read" character better.

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      4. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @pleaselikebryce

        This is an excellent point. But what I like about the concept of parasocial interaction is that the term is able to avoid questions of honesty, deception, and authenticity. It's a question of structure and form: How does the medium shape the interaction? Is reciprocity possible?

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      5. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @pleaselikebryce

        (Admitting of course that deception and perceived authenticity play an enormous role in actual parasocial bonds, especially as they are commodified or used to exploit the desire for human contact.)

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      2. BL Milthorpe  🏞️‏ @mumpsump Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld

        Agree but I think its also possible to see it as an abstracted intensification of asymmetries in expectations of decorum, manner, position, etc. If meatspace has its own linguistic/behavioral mediations, maybe social media is both para and meta-social in its emulation of them

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      3. izrick‏ @izricklyn Sep 13
        Replying to @mumpsump @thewastedworld

        Para/meta-social relations offline: priest-parishaner, analyst-analysand, business-customer, teacher student, parent-child come to mind, really anything but "true friendship" is asymmetrical, and even then symmetry and authenticity aren't nessissarly best measures of a friendship

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      4. izrick‏ @izricklyn Sep 13
        Replying to @izricklyn @mumpsump @thewastedworld

        Online or offline there are always problems of transference, social media is a bit of a transference machine accelerator, heating it up, cooling it off, blowing it up, breaking it off.

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      5. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @izricklyn @mumpsump

        The parasocial isn't just asymmetrical, it is mediated and mass produced. The priest, analyst, etc. is still someone in the same space as you, who talks back to you alone. The parasocial is addressed to a mass, and each in this audience imagines a personal address to themselves.

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      6. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld @izricklyn @mumpsump

        Perhaps a better offline example would be the performer or the politician, who addresses a crowd. I'm thinking of how Klaus Theweleit discusses the fascist speech-makers whose rants would be read as a personal address and vindication: "The labor is his, the intoxication theirs."

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      2. SconeAnon‏ @AnonScone Sep 13
        Replying to @thewastedworld

        "affection directed toward a shadow" is marvelous.

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      3. Gregory Marks‏ @thewastedworld Sep 13
        Replying to @AnonScone

        A new marketing slogan for Facebook, perhaps.

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      1. Loq.‏ @Loq_App Sep 15
        Replying to @thewastedworld

        Lots has been said about the one-sided relationships many fans have with their YouTube favourites and the way para-social 'bonds' develop. But if all online versions of ourselves are incomplete curations, are our real-life relations becoming shallower too? Add your voice at Loq.

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