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    v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

    v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing Retweeted UnHerd

    I don't understand why white classicists keep piling on with the op-eds because it's so clear that they're all in their feelings about peralta and don't know how to express it without projecting their emotions onto the rest of the field. It screams infantilization.https://twitter.com/unherd/status/1364829989334618113 …

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    To abandon the study of classics would be to hand it to people who might use it for dangerous purposes | @DaisyfDunn https://unherd.com/2021/02/dont-cancel-the-classics/ …
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      2. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        It also screams lacking in critical reading and comprehension skills. Like Dunn almost gets there in the very middle: "Already, some departments in the US have embedded Classics within courses such as “Ancient Mediterranean Studies”." But then turns around next sentence...

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      3. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        "(Such rethinks are, of course, unlikely to be a universal solution; Gormley, for one, is particularly upset about the British Museum’s supposed fixation with the Mediterranean.)" Departments rebranding classics as AMS will fail because of one sculptor's opinion...

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      4. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        ...about the British Museum? This is what I mean by white classicists getting silly and reactionary. And THEN they usually try to make some claims about race and Dunn here is no exception: her section on Herodotus and Tacitus are borderline formulaic for white classicists.

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      5. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        I wonder what Dunn would have to say about one of the more popular fables of Aesop that resurfaced in the Renaissance -- "Washing the Ethiopian White" and what that means for ancient conceptualizations of race?

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      6. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        "But such a history of Classics, one which highlights only the ways the discipline has been used to incite racism and prejudice, is strikingly selective." It is literally the history OF the discipline so I'm not sure how one can claim it as strikingly selective...

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      7. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing Retweeted Jermaine Bryant

        ...unless they are just being willfully ignorant about how much impact our field has had. And in terms of the American and British imperial projects? Our field has done a LOT. As my colleague Jermaine said yesterday:https://twitter.com/YungHumanist/status/1364679740154609670?s=20 …

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        Jermaine Bryant @YungHumanist
        Like my parents were born on colonial Jamaican rule, and every time I talk to my family about what I do, they say “oh yeah, the Brits put their boots on our necks and taught us Latin while saying our culture was garbage.” My colleagues from other colonies experienced the same.
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      8. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Dunn ends with "saving" vs "abandoning" the classics--but she offers no concrete steps. The one time she acknowledged any form of praxis towards doing something different, it was the rebranding of Classics into AMS and she dismissed it. So what is she adding to the discourse?

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      9. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Well seemingly nothing. Which sucks because if she actually thought about it? She might see that people are making the argument to absorb Classics into AMS PRECISELY to save it. Because it's literally a very small but very CONCRETE ting to do.

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      10. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Not to mention is way more accurate towards the broader fields of classical and ancient studies. "Classics" as a TERM is one that folks want to do away with because it has such a narrowing and limiting affect on the canon (and the idea that everything we study is a "classic").

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      11. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Ancient Mediterranean Studies is a way that we can actually quantify what we study without QUALIFYING it. But we get it! Philologists like to feel *flips hair* ~special~ and like THEY'RE the most important ones and if they lose that label how will they have self-worth????

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      12. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Feel grossed out by that whole description above^? awesome, then you agree that relabeling classics and classical studies as AMS is not only a good idea but will actually help our accuracy in the long run. Glad we came to this conclusion.

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      13. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        ^^^^ All of that to say (because I forgot to bring it full circle) it's disappointing how lacking in imagination and creativity white classicists can be when it comes to engaging these ideas. The only thing Dunn can think of re: exploding the canon is renaming the field?

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      14. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        That is something that is already happening in some departments, as she noted, but she doesn't engage with the departments who are doing so and instead defers back to that random sculptor dude as if he had any say whatsoever about the future of classics!

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      15. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing Retweeted v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing

        But I've gone over this before: monolithic individualism was already an issue in the NYTM article so it's unsurprising that its responses are replicating that behavior.https://twitter.com/theoctopiehole/status/1356724462629060610?s=20 …

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        v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing @theoctopiehole
        Powerful words from @platanoclassics that give me pause at the same time: I can't help but wonder at the vast lacuna that this article has reproduced, which I find one of the key issues surrounding Blackness in the Classics: ISOLATION and COMMUNITY. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/magazine/classics-greece-rome-whiteness.html …
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      16. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        And like to get kinda meta with it, this has actually been helping to clarify a few points I was thinking up about White Noises vs Black Sounds (which I can't speak on without citing @DrMaDMo's incredibly generative thinking/research) re: classicizing acoustics in the field...

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      17. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        ...so there are bright-sides. Which is another critical part of critiquing! Are we just what-about-isming each other, or are we actually trying to salvage things from our debates to use in our future pedagogy?

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      18. v ness: #FreePalestine & #BlockShaunKing‏ @theoctopiehole Feb 25

        Anyhoo, canons are constructed, the field is inherently omni-canonical despite our best efforts, and everyone could do well to read Morrison's words on canon-fodder: https://tannerlectures.utah.edu/_documents/a-to-z/m/morrison90.pdf …

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