Again, gotta be honest here - for about a decade I was SURE that "grimdark" was a shorthand phrase people were using to *mock and insult* the thing it's describing, as opposed to just... describe it
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I always wondered how Kiss managed to transition over to disco so easily.https://youtu.be/ZhIsAZO5gl0
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I assumed that Hopepunk was anything with a relatively hopeful outlook on the future. Overwatch, Star Trek, Doctor Who, maybe the Megaman games.
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I'm going to be that person but "Hope Punk" is just white washing Shonen Manga story structures and seems to have originated from a single person's blog post where they essentially "discover" the idea of stories about the power of friendship and determination...
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Can confirm.
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I don’t know about “hopepunk” and “emo” but that isn’t the case with “grimdark” and “goth.” Grimdark comes from Warhammer 40k’s tagline “In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war.”
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grimdark is metal, not goth
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I don’t think there is any intersection between ‘Grimdark’ and ‘Goth.’ For a start ‘Goth’ isn’t an established literary genre, ‘Gothic’ is, Goth is mainly music or fashion. I don’t think anyone would confuse Gothic literature with ‘Grimdark’
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Grimdark was supposed to be a tongue in cheek genre of oppressively hopeless universes where the "good guys" are worse than the villians of any other universe and the situation is so hopeless it doesn't matter who "wins" nothing will change.
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Honestly, I would call both a mood...not really a genre, but I do know that there are 40k Novels with more representation than some supposedly, "wholesome" content(Lesbian Imp Gaurd, NB Techpriest etc.), but folks have to make it political by using it for conservative memes.
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