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    1. Katie Moussouris‏Verified account @k8em0 17 Mar 2018
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      Katie Moussouris Retweeted Danielle Leong

      This is why bug bounties MUST NOT exceed the price a developer or tester would make in salary. This is why those $250,000 bug bounties for side channel vulnerabilities are too high. We're damaging the defense pipeline w perverse incentives for bug hunters. #bountySmarterNotHarderhttps://twitter.com/tsunamino/status/975108284175679488 …

      Katie Moussouris added,

      Danielle Leong @tsunamino
      Seriously considering finding privacy bugs for bounty money instead of running @consentsoftware which does the exact same thing for free 🤔 https://twitter.com/k8em0/status/975099668718735361 …
      16 replies 52 retweets 136 likes
    2. Alex Ionescu‏ @aionescu 17 Mar 2018
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      But Katie, bug hunters already have “perverse rewards”. It’s called the black market as you so well know — so as long as that’s always going to outdo salaries, shouldn’t bounties be high enough to at least try directing some of those folks to legitimate companies?

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    3. Alex Ionescu‏ @aionescu 17 Mar 2018
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      The “balanced to salary” argument is also hard to make in light of internationally scoped bounties that pay in US dollars vs. local currency. See Pwn2Own and it’s relationship to Chinese researchers.

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    4. Katie Moussouris‏Verified account @k8em0 17 Mar 2018
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      Can't compete with the offense market on price, Alex. It's what I've been saying for years. https://www.rsaconference.com/writable/presentations/file_upload/ht-t08-the-wolves-of-vuln-street-the-1st-dynamic-systems-model-of-the-0day-market_final.pdf …

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @k8em0 @aionescu

      I think I agree, but it's not obvious to me what is "too high". You're taking on lot more risk (might find nothing, or get collided), won't have same resources (e.g. compute time and hardware), may need to collab, etc. So dollar amount may need to be higher vs fair salary, no?

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        2. Charlie Miller‏ @0xcharlie 18 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @k8em0 @aionescu

          yes this is why i wouldn’t quit my job to be a pro bug bounty hunter no matter what the payouts. too much uncertainty.

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        3. Katie Moussouris‏Verified account @k8em0 18 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @0xcharlie @taviso @aionescu

          Pipeline leak though. Unless you plan to do this forever, you'll need junior folks to train. I'm worried about the labor force at the top ranks as well as at the bottom.

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