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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Mar 2018
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      CTS Labs.

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    2.  Ⓜɪᴄʜᴀᴇʟ ᴛᴏᴇᴄᴋᴇʀ‏ @mtoecker 15 Mar 2018
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      Didn't we go through this already with Muddy Waters?

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    3. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 15 Mar 2018
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      As of right now, this story is different.

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    4. Thomas Brewster‏Verified account @iblametom 15 Mar 2018
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      Has anyone been able to get any comment from CTS-Labs on this? They keep sending me nonsense answers and avoiding the basic question: did they work with any short sellers on this project? Did they short sell AMD?

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    5. Thomas Brewster‏Verified account @iblametom 15 Mar 2018
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      Also isn’t the question of morals based on how severe the problems actually are? And how much the researchers market the flaws?

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    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @iblametom @lorenzofb and

      It's an interesting discussion, I haven't fully formed an opinion yet. I can see arguments for and against.

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    7. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Mar 2018
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      I think ethical issues debates are usually not helpful, but from a “does this protect the public better, as CTS Labs claim?” can be answered by “there’s no fix yet and they shared the PoCs without NDA - so no”.

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    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Mar 2018
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      Agreed. The counterargument is that we should incentivize expensive security research by allowing recoup of investment. The optimal way to protect the public is to force big pharma to make drugs at their expense, but then who is going to R&D new drugs? Balance good vs incentive.

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    9. Infosec Charlatan‏ @Helter27 15 Mar 2018
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      Another counter is that companies respond aggressively to value threats. Something that hurts the stock price will get more attention than something that doesn't. If boards associate vulnerabilities with short activity, they may have more interest in creating secure products.

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    10. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Helter27 @GossiTheDog and

      Yes. The obvious way to fund and monetize security research is blackmarket exploit sales, a practice we'd like to discourage. If we can find a way to incentivize expensive research that balances public good with recouping investment, then maybe there is merit? 🤷‍♂️

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Mar 2018
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      High quality security research makes software safer, but is expensive. Incentives are pretty slim if you take away exploit sales. I think we should fix that.

      11:15 AM - 15 Mar 2018
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