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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf Mar 13

      My current vulnerability bingo card suggests we’re heading for “these are real vulnerabilities that we’d respect in any other venue, hyped way beyond their impact”.

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    2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf Mar 13

      obviously that’s a cheap easy prediction to make, but let’s be clear it’s NOT what @cynicalsecurity was saying; i think he’s out on a limb

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    3. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 13
      Replying to @tqbf

      Oh come on Tom, the only vulnerability which is interesting is in the out-sourced chipset. Everything else is just “load nasty code in a Service Processor while having appropriate privileges to do so.”

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf Mar 13
      Replying to @cynicalsecurity

      I don’t understand how you’re drawing that conclusion. You say, in effect, “signed driver, hah!” But you’re describing a flaw in a vendor driver; that’s a real vuln.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf Mar 13
      Replying to @tqbf @cynicalsecurity

      What I read is that if you have local admin, AMD’s shipping signed driver binaries have vulnerabilities that allow you to persist onto the secure processor. That’s a real flaw.

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    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 13
      Replying to @tqbf @cynicalsecurity

      That's a real flaw. But.... hard to get too excited about it, they overshot the appropriate hype level by several orders of magnitude. 🤷‍♂️

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    7. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf Mar 13
      Replying to @taviso @cynicalsecurity

      I strongly agree about that! But without the insane white paper, would this get accepted at Infiltrate, Black Hat, or CanSec? I think so.

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    8. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 13
      Replying to @tqbf @taviso

      Pity that they would. It is just another boring vulnerability which fills the speaker list.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 13
      Replying to @cynicalsecurity @tqbf

      Nothing in this paper matters until the attacker has already won so hard it's game over. Not something I'm too interested in, but maybe DFIR people are?

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        1. the grugq‏ @thegrugq Mar 13
          Replying to @taviso @cynicalsecurity @tqbf

          no showers were harmed in the discovery of these "vulnerabilities"

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        2. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Mar 14
          Replying to @taviso @cynicalsecurity @tqbf

          Once you have control of the secure processor can you “pull up the ladder” to keep control, or is it easy for someone else to use the same exploit (or even a master signing key) to regain control?

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        3. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 14
          Replying to @matthew_d_green @taviso @tqbf

          If you rewrite the firmware update it is “easy”. For example on the old Broadcom NICs you could patch the firmware update so that it returned “success” allowing you to keep persistence. Obviously I have not seen the PSP code but you can probably assume “doable”.

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        4. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Mar 14
          Replying to @cynicalsecurity @taviso @tqbf

          This is perfect autonomous no-C&C ransomware ;)

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        5. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 14
          Replying to @matthew_d_green @taviso @tqbf

          It has been possible for a long time using several devices on a PC: NIC, GPU, hard-disk. This is just “closer” to the CPU.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Mar 14
          Replying to @cynicalsecurity @taviso @tqbf

          Can you compromise those devices so nobody can take control? That’s beautiful!

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        7. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 14
          Replying to @matthew_d_green @taviso @tqbf

          I can only do (a small number of) NICs.

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        2. Graham Sutherland [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland Mar 14
          Replying to @taviso @cynicalsecurity @tqbf

          It's interesting to folks involved with hardware attestation too, but it's pretty low in excitement value due to how nebulous the whole thing is.

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        3. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 14
          Replying to @gsuberland @taviso @tqbf

          Well yes, it does make a bit of a mockery of the whole attestation if your signed driver allows modification to the PSP.

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        4. Graham Sutherland [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland Mar 14
          Replying to @cynicalsecurity @taviso @tqbf

          Indeed. I'm just waiting for people to chew the fat and come to a sensible conclusion about what is and isn't possible, what the requirements are, etc. I really don't have the energy to dismantle the hypetrain myself.

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        5. Arrigo Triulzi‏ @cynicalsecurity Mar 14
          Replying to @gsuberland @taviso @tqbf

          There again, the really interesting one is the outsourced chipset…

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        1. Gweihir‏ @Gweihir1 Mar 14
          Replying to @taviso @cynicalsecurity @tqbf

          Indeed. With physical access or root access you have won unless you are really, really incompetent. What annoys me no end is that such "news" give honest and competent security experts a bad name.

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