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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      I do worry about the seemingly escalating rivalry between Microsoft and Google security teams.

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    2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I don't understand where these ideas come from, do you think we're saying "let's make their products safer, that will teach those jerks a lesson?".

      3 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
    3. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      It’s merely human nature that friendly competition between big players’ analysts may unintentionally draw attention away from other products.

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    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I sincerely doubt you could find anyone at Microsoft, Google, Apple, Mozilla, anywhere that will say "we don't like getting bug reports". Do you argue that they're lying, and secretly think they're mean?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

      That’s not what I said, at all. You don’t have to be resentful about getting vulnerability reports to want to outdo other teams performance.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I guess I don't understand what you're saying, you said there is a worrying rivalry, but as far as I know we all want the same thing. We help Microsoft, Microsoft helps us, we're all on the same side?

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      I’m saying: That’s great, as long as your analysts are staying civil and not unintentionally trying to outdo one another at the expense of research into other products. From the outside it looks like you’re gradually getting more competitive.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      What does "competitive" mean in this context, you mean trying to make the safest products? I guess, I'm trying to understand what is "worrying", I'd be excited if we both keep upping our game?

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    9. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

      Every org has only so many vulnerability researchers on staff, and only so many hours to dedicate towards research. I hope Microsoft’s team is expending a sensible effort analyzing critical stuff in their own products this week, and not turning too much attention to Google.

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    10. Brian in Pittsburgh‏ @arekfurt 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @taviso and

      MS and Google security people: "Isn't it awesome we're making each other's products more secure!" MS and Google senior execs: "Uh... yes. That's totally our only goal supporting this research, too. Of course. Totally. Great stuff." 😀

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @arekfurt @hacks4pancakes and

      How much mental gymnastics do you have to do to see sinister motives behind making something safer? Like, what is the senior exec's motivation in your conspiracy theory, explain it to me? 🙄

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        2. Brian in Pittsburgh‏ @arekfurt 19 Feb 2018
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          I was being 60% facetious. But if strong security really is a factor that products compete on is it really a huge stretch to think that if a competitor's offering has exploitable vulns disclosed more often than one's own your cos. leaders won't be heartbroken about that fact?

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @arekfurt @hacks4pancakes and

          If that were true, then why do Microsoft and Google both disclose vulnerabilities they find *internally*? e.g. https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-0801 …

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        2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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          Help me out here @dwizzzleMSFT!

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        3. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 19 Feb 2018
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          Dave is hurling chairs at you right now, @taviso

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        2. Justin Hall‏ @justinhall 20 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @arekfurt and

          Tavis, is your assertion here that Google is only doing this vulnerability research for altruistic reasons? That they see no material benefit at all from demonstrating security flaws in competitors' products? I'm not sure most folks buy that?

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        3. Justin Hall‏ @justinhall 20 Feb 2018
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          By the way this is not to imply any motivation on your part personally. I don't doubt you genuinely are trying to improve our society's collective security posture!

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