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    1. Sergio Caltagirone‏ @cnoanalysis 19 Feb 2018
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      .@Google STOP using public vuln disclosure to bully people into your arbitrary policy when there is no need - this isn't responsible, it's unethical STOP HURTING US #infosec #Vulnerability cc @k8em0 @hacks4pancakes @taviso @phillip_misner @jepayneMSFT https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/19/17027138/google-microsoft-edge-security-flaw-disclosure …pic.twitter.com/NyzADaiChe

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    2. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @cnoanalysis @Google and

      Also, please keep doing it

      2 replies 0 retweets 27 likes
    3. Sergio Caltagirone‏ @cnoanalysis 19 Feb 2018
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      Or, maybe not. How is this ethical? Disclosing a vuln not known to be in the wild while a patch is being developed from one of the most mature security orgs in the world...@msftsecresponse - forcing a bad patch due to an arbitrary disclosure policy could cost business millions

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @cnoanalysis @GossiTheDog and

      I do worry about the seemingly escalating rivalry between Microsoft and Google security teams.

      6 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I don't understand where these ideas come from, do you think we're saying "let's make their products safer, that will teach those jerks a lesson?".

      3 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
    6. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

      It’s merely human nature that friendly competition between big players’ analysts may unintentionally draw attention away from other products.

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I sincerely doubt you could find anyone at Microsoft, Google, Apple, Mozilla, anywhere that will say "we don't like getting bug reports". Do you argue that they're lying, and secretly think they're mean?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

      That’s not what I said, at all. You don’t have to be resentful about getting vulnerability reports to want to outdo other teams performance.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      I guess I don't understand what you're saying, you said there is a worrying rivalry, but as far as I know we all want the same thing. We help Microsoft, Microsoft helps us, we're all on the same side?

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    10. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

      I’m saying: That’s great, as long as your analysts are staying civil and not unintentionally trying to outdo one another at the expense of research into other products. From the outside it looks like you’re gradually getting more competitive.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 19 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @hacks4pancakes @cnoanalysis and

      What does "competitive" mean in this context, you mean trying to make the safest products? I guess, I'm trying to understand what is "worrying", I'd be excited if we both keep upping our game?

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        2. Lesley Carhart‏ @hacks4pancakes 19 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @cnoanalysis and

          Every org has only so many vulnerability researchers on staff, and only so many hours to dedicate towards research. I hope Microsoft’s team is expending a sensible effort analyzing critical stuff in their own products this week, and not turning too much attention to Google.

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        3. Brian in Pittsburgh‏ @arekfurt 19 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @hacks4pancakes @taviso and

          MS and Google security people: "Isn't it awesome we're making each other's products more secure!" MS and Google senior execs: "Uh... yes. That's totally our only goal supporting this research, too. Of course. Totally. Great stuff." 😀

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        2. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 19 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @hacks4pancakes and

          I guess peeps are extracting it to a higher level of business, i.e. competing companies? I doubt anybody comes to you from Chrome and demands Edge vulns? Fear could be corps using sec bugs to bash each other, but I doubt customers care personally

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        3. Blanko Benjamin‏ @bl4nk_io 19 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @GossiTheDog @taviso and

          collaborating efforts seems more constructive, but then again, externally it may look like conspiring. Either way, as long as the end users aren't the ones getting screwed, the vuln disclosure should foster a more expeditious response from the affected company, right?

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