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    1. Katie Moussouris‏Verified account @k8em0 31 Jan 2018
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      Katie Moussouris Retweeted Richard Bejtlich

      Minority report: I disagree. I amend my 2006 warning from: "Don't hate the hacker Hate the bug" To: "Don't hate the tool Hate the bug" https://twitter.com/k8em0/status/958788683414388736 …https://twitter.com/taosecurity/status/958670200357998592 …

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      Richard BejtlichVerified account @taosecurity
      There is no need to release this. The tie to Shodan puts it over the edge. There is no legitimate reason to put mass exploitation of public systems within the reach of script kiddies. Just because you can do something doesn't make it wise to do so. This will end in tears. https://twitter.com/real__vector/status/958412549044801536 …
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    2. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 31 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @wimremes @k8em0 @JohnLaTwC

      I hope my suggestion isn't taken as a critique of all offensive research. It's a very useful. But it's not all the same and there is probably opportunity for balance in the nuance.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 31 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @gdbassett @wimremes and

      Sure, but if the implications of a simple python mashup are troubling, then this has value as a wakeup call for defenders. Have you looked at the code? As Katie said, it's short and sweet - just connecting two apis. Nobody can say they didn't know this was possible yesterday.

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    4. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 31 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @wimremes and

      I agree, insofar as it educates defenders that weren't aware such things are possible it is helpful. Insofar as it lowers the barrier to entry, it is harmful. As you said, 'nobody can say they didn't know this was possible yesterday'.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 31 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @gdbassett @wimremes and

      Right, that's my point. Everyone knew this was possible yesterday, and did nothing. Today there's concern about the problem. That's a positive and useful change, right? Attacker capabilities haven't really increased, but we might see some useful pressure to patch. 👍

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        2. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 31 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @wimremes and

          I look at attacker capability as something of a distribution, all attackers have some capability, some have lots. Increasing how much capability attackers have by decreasing difficulty is bad. Increasing visibility of threats is potentially good.

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 31 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @gdbassett @wimremes and

          So you would be opposed to someone pointing out "you can pipe foo into bar", even if the net result was that people then started taking the problems exposed by foo and bar seriously?

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