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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2017
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      Do you think it must be a safe and trustworthy password manager, or is literally any password manager, even if it has a remote shell okay? Please explain why you won't qualify that it has to be a safe password manager.

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    2. ᴅᴀɴɪᴇʟ ᴍɪᴇssʟᴇʀ‏Verified account @DanielMiessler 15 Dec 2017
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      Tavis, when I recommend software I hardly ever tell people to find ones with lots of vulnerabilities. Again, I am NOT making the argument that the worst possible password manager is better than the best possible non-password-manager. And there are infinite shades in-between.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2017
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      I can't even parse this statement, what is a "non-password-manager"? It seems to be very hard for you to say that "Most people should use a safe and trustworthy password manager".

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    4. ᴅᴀɴɪᴇʟ ᴍɪᴇssʟᴇʀ‏Verified account @DanielMiessler 15 Dec 2017
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      Most people should use a safe and trustworthy password manager.

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    5. ᴅᴀɴɪᴇʟ ᴍɪᴇssʟᴇʀ‏Verified account @DanielMiessler 15 Dec 2017
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      Not hard at all. Now, your turn. It seems very hard for you to say that for most people their online password security is SO HORRIBLY BAD that recommending they use a password manager is good advice. Happy to throw in that it should be a good one.

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    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2017
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      You mean like literally all the dozens of times I've said it, including the times that you immediately start arguing with me? Look who the first responder here is Daniel?https://twitter.com/taviso/status/842807269058207744 …

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      Tavis OrmandyVerified account @taviso
      Replying to @thegrugq @julianor
      "use a pw manager" is bad advice, many are staggeringly bad. "use a good pw manager" is fine, but needs explanation.
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    7. Security Generation‏ @securitygen 15 Dec 2017
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      Surely even using a bad password manager with vulns is somewhat better than having Christmas1 as your password everywhere. The chance of an individual person’s password manager getting compromised is less than the chance of their bad and reused passwords getting compromised.

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    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @securitygen @DanielMiessler @m8urnett

      That is a false dichotomy. The options are not limited to only using the same password everywhere or using a dangerously bad password manager, you could also use a safe password manager, like KeePass.

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    9. Mark Burnett 𓆈‏ @m8urnett 15 Dec 2017
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      Tavis, with KeePass what's your opinion on using entry via auto-type vs a browser plugin?

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    10. Mark Burnett 𓆈‏ @m8urnett 15 Dec 2017
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      The browser plugin provides an encrypted channel whereas autotype provides isolation.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2017
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      Well, plugins are attack surface, if you would argue that it's worth increasing the attack surface to improve the UX, then go ahead. An "encrypted channel" between two local processes sounds like nonsense, but I haven't looked into the details.

      11:47 AM - 15 Dec 2017
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        2. Mark Burnett 𓆈‏ @m8urnett 15 Dec 2017
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          Which is what I have concluded, although a clipboard monitor could capture logins. Of course if you have a clipboard monitor installed you're beyond that point anyway I guess.

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        3. Mark Burnett 𓆈‏ @m8urnett 15 Dec 2017
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          More accurately a clipboard and/or keystroke monitor depending on how you use it.

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