@taviso The whole problem is that you speak from the point of theoretical (in)security. From practical side, your point does not stand.
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@Jindroush I think the problem is that you're very good at understanding one type of attack, and are blind to problems outside of that. - 6 more replies
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@thierryzoller Yep, I like the graphs. They exactly show when and why AVs are still useful.@taviso -
@Jindroush Do you understand that you're making a tradeoff, or do you think antivirus is 100% benefit? - 4 more replies
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@taviso can't agree with u, if normal users (90%? of total ) does not have AV, that would be party for malware authors. -
@i7s3curi7y It already is a party. av only prevents untargeted malware. But bcause it's so poor quality it *enables* targeted attacks.
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@taviso@halvarflake is there anything more fundamentally sandboxable than an av scanner, though? -
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@taviso did you happen to see ITW viruses exploiting AVs? -
@_arkon@taviso Bunches of examples. Duqu2 targeted kaspersky. See p.12 "Attacking AVP.EXE" https://securelist.com/files/2015/06/The_Mystery_of_Duqu_2_0_a_sophisticated_cyberespionage_actor_returns.pdf …
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