It would be nice if that was true, but every month the major vendors publish dozens of backdoor-equivalent vulns. Doesn't that prove there are no penalties for bugdoors? Worse, there might be social penalties or threats to you for discussing a bugdoor you discovered 
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Replying to @taviso @halvarflake and
If you imagine deliberate bugdoors created by nation states, you also have to consider that good bugs can be discovered and exploited in both directions.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @halvarflake and
Not really, you already mentioned Dual-EC. As I understand it, they argue they generated them randomly and it was a genuine spec-bug. You argue is was a bugdoor, but it can only be exploited in one direction, right? The same is true for other bug classes.
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Replying to @taviso @halvarflake and
Like what? I’m curious what kinds of non-cryptographic bugs are NOBUS like Dual EC.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @halvarflake and
Umm, stack buffer overflow parsing https://vendor/latestversion.txt? Nobody else can exploit that, right?
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Replying to @taviso @halvarflake and
I’m confused now. I thought you were arguing that there were vulns that could only be exploited by one side, a la Dual EC.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @halvarflake and
Yes, you understand correctly. Who else can exploit the example I gave other than the vendor?
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Replying to @taviso @halvarflake and
Ah. But that’s a capability that degrades rapidly. And if every latest version is riddled with new bugs, eventually you’ll ring people’s alarms.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @halvarflake and
So if the second Tuesday of every month, Microsoft published dozens of new bugs, people might stop using Windows?
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OK, but I'm guessing you still use an OS that has regular security updates of bugdoor-equivalent vulnerabilities? So the point remains, right? There would be no penalty for getting caught shipping a bugdoor.
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Replying to @taviso @halvarflake and
This is a Henry Ford fallacy. Like saying “what if a medication had side effects and people still took it, wouldn’t that imply any medicine could have serious side effects and people would take it?” Let medication1 be Insulin. Let medication2 be that weird eyelash-growing stuff.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @taviso and
People can’t live without Windows but apparently the DoD can live without certain videoconferencing platforms.
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