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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq May 9
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      People opposed to releasing offensive security research, I have a serious question. What end state do you want to achieve? What is success? - no one does offensive security research? - no one publishes offsec? - offsec posted publicly is illegal? - offsec cannot be free? - other?

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    2. James Forshaw‏ @tiraniddo May 9
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      All the $ for them, none for you.

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    3. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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      Replying to @tiraniddo @thegrugq

      <snark /> :)

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    4. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq May 9
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      It is a legit question. They’re causing a ruckus and seem to want things to change. I want to know what change they envision?

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    5. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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      I put is pretty cynically a few tweets back, but honestly, I think the blue team does not have enough bums on seats. They're being overwhelmed and they're trying anything to slow the deluge from red down.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso May 9
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      Replying to @timb_machine @thegrugq @tiraniddo

      Let me ask you this, where would you be today if we had restricted access to offensive tools and information? I know I'm here because of the exploits, advisories, papers etc people published in the 90s. We can't cut off that pipeline, it will not increase defender count.

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        2. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq May 9
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          I am the same. But part of it for me was that I got to publish new offensive security tools and research. Without that I’d be... I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be the grugq.

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        3. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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          Just spitballing but you almost want a CFI like solution at the API and process tree level. Problem is, therein lies the death of general purpose computing.

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        2. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt May 9
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          Replying to @taviso @anders_fogh and

          I'm also not in the "Stop the tools" camp and I think it's worth pointing out that a large number of defensive tools either began as, or are at least purposed regularly as, offensive tools.

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        3. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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          <snark>I've already started a lobby to stop defence intelligence sharing of IOCs, more than happy to add the stopping the trade in Defensive Security Tools (DST) to my orgs mission.</snark>

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        1. (((webhat)))‏ @webhat May 9
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          I'm here today because I saw something @lcamtuf wrote on Bugtraq and it opened my mind, if it wasn't for Bugtraq and FullDisclosure I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now

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        1. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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          100% agree. I'm not in the stop the tools camp though :).

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        1. Tim Brown‏ @timb_machine May 9
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          I went off down rabbit hole, but I can attribute my work today to learning from the output of folks like LSD, TESO and ADM - that and mopping up ILOVEYOU were formative experiences that sent me off down path and resulted in a first proper security job in a bank's UNIX secops team

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        1. Sandeep Kamble‏ @SandeepL337 May 9
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          This is so real.

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