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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @bryanriddlespic @daveaitel and

      Cool, and what do users deserve? Not everyone agrees that "responsible" means protecting corporate reputations at any cost, even if that means putting users in danger. The media can be a tool to inform, nobody promised it will only ever be flattering to business interests.

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    2. Bryan Riddles‏ @bryanriddlespic Apr 1
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      We have a different perspective and that's OK. I agree customers deserve protection too. My experience is most vendors will try to fix problems they learn about in a reasonable amount of time. It doesn't hurt to give them a chance.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @bryanriddlespic @daveaitel and

      It's not a difference in perspective at all, I don't agree "it doesn't hurt". The relevant people are those who haven't installed *yet*, agreed? I'm saying they should know to wait if this is a risk to them, but you're saying "yeah, but that might hurt Zoom's business", correct?

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    4. x0rz  😷‏ @x0rz Apr 1
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      You are making the assumption that users are reading infosec or even tech news. I truly think that’s about 5% of the end users for Zoom.

      1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @x0rz @bryanriddlespic and

      Isn't that like saying we shouldn't talk about COVID-19, because not all humans watch the news? We don't have a perfect system for disseminating information, we have to make do with what we have. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    6. x0rz  😷‏ @x0rz Apr 1
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      Replying to @taviso @bryanriddlespic and

      Informing the vendor first seems like the most sane option IMO. Isn’t that the default P0 policy anyway?

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @x0rz @bryanriddlespic and

      You'll have to explain why it's the most sane option? It won't change the risk to everyone who has already installed it, and puts people who haven't installed it yet at risk...? I think that probably is what P0 would do, doesn't mean it's right.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. daveaitel‏ @daveaitel Apr 1
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      Replying to @taviso @x0rz and

      In no other industry have the vendors convinced everyone that product quality information should remain secret

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    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @daveaitel @x0rz and

      And then somehow managed to get customers to help fight for less information for consumers... for their own protection. It's really a work of art. 😂

      2 replies 2 retweets 26 likes
    10. Bryan Riddles‏ @bryanriddlespic Apr 1
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      Tavis and Dave, who is advocating for keeping vulnerabilities a secret? My point is that vendors should hear about vulnerabilities from researchers, not the media. It's a researcher's right to socialize the vulnerability at some point, but give the vendor a chance to fix it.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 3
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      Replying to @bryanriddlespic @daveaitel and

      Oh okay, so kinda like the trolley problem. You could warn everyone on the tracks that a trolley is coming, but that would be rude to the $35B trolley corporation... got it. Not sure I would call that responsible. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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        2. x0rz  😷‏ @x0rz Apr 3
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          Replying to @taviso @bryanriddlespic and

          Vulnerabilities don’t really impact business though, they impact the end users getting pwned. Have you seen people running away from Adobe Reader despite years and years of disclosure?

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 3
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          Replying to @x0rz @bryanriddlespic and

          I don't understand what you're trying to say, I think market pressure created things like pdfium and PDF.js, more secure options that people desperately wanted? As far as I know, Adobe Reader usage continue to fall.

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