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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Disagree, it's a problem with the installation, and installations are spiking *now*, not in six months. Now is the time to make sure people are aware of the risks, good work @patrickwardle. This is what real responsible disclosure looks like.

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    2. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      Releasing 0-days without bothering to contact the manufacturer themselves, only for a bit of fame during a worldwide pandemic. This is exactly why la ot of InfoSec people have such a terrible reputation of being narcissists...

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @alexstamos and

      The only reason someone might want to warn people in danger is their own personal fame? Maybe you need to do some self examination here. Vulnerability disclosure is hard, frustrating and thankless work, literally nobody is in it for the fame.

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    4. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      If you can't even bother to give them even 24 hours to fix a security issue before disclosing it publicly, well yes, I don't believe you are doing the users of that software a favour. It doesn't take much introspection to realise that...

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    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @alexstamos and

      You'll have to walk me through your thought process. When I see someone in danger, my first thought is to warn them. Your first thought is keep it quiet and leave everyone at risk... for what reason, to protect the vendors business interests?

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    6. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      End-users can't fix it themselves, they are at the mercy of the vendor. At least give them the time to issue an update and inform users to install the update. That's my thought process.

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    7. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @taviso and

      What do you expect users to do? You think they will suddenly uninstall their primary business communication tool and switch to competitor in few hours?

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    8. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @taviso and

      Tell me, why has Google a 90 days disclosure policy before they release vulnerabilities in public? What's the thought process behind that?

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    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @alexstamos and

      You need to calm down and think it through. People are vulnerable for a short window during installation, if you've already installed then you were either already compromised or not - no fix can change that. If you haven't installed obviously you can *wait* for a fixed installer.

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    10. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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      Replying to @taviso @alexstamos and

      Doesn't change the fact this causes panic for end-users without giving the vendor a chance to communicate this to their users. Especially at a moment where remote work is required, and not an option.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 2
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      Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @alexstamos and

      Think the attack through. The *only* people this affects are people who are *not* users yet. You're saying don't warn them, just put them at risk, we must protect the vendor? Most people want to hear about designs flaws in the products we use, you're in the minority here.

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        2. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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          Replying to @taviso @alexstamos and

          I'm saying it should not have been reported, I say giving them just a little time to issue a fix and proper communication wouldn't have been so much to ask. I don't care if I am in the minority for having that opinion.

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        3. Jeroen Jacobs‏ @JeroenJacobs79 Apr 2
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          Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I hope you stick to your opinion if someone ever discloses a Google product vulnerability in public without contacting Google first. and giving them the time to patch things...

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        1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 2
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          Replying to @taviso @JeroenJacobs79 and

          You want to hide details about product flaws from consumers, because they might "panic" (aka not purchase shoddy products, or demand better quality). You're entitled to your opinion, but no need to insult the people who advocate for consumer rights.

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