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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @zmanion @imaguid and

      That is self-serving garbage, "The best way to help victims is to make sure they don't know we sold them a shoddy product", how convenient. As a consumer, I want to know if you sold me a lemon, so I can tell you what I expect you to do about it.

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    2. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Apr 1
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      I think "Do we tell users the problem" and "Do we drop zero-days to prove it" are being conflated as a single issue here. You can tell users a product's security is shoddy as hell and still give the vendor time to fix the specifics. Zero-days are for vendors who #wontfix

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    3. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Apr 1
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      I'm still open to the argument that Zoom as a vendor is labeled as a persistent #wontfix vendor though, given their history with the hidden webserver debacle.

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    4. Heather Adkins - r00t folding team #258829‏ @argvee Apr 1
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      It does appear there are some standard anti-patterns in what they've launched that indicates a lack of adversarial mindset in the design and implementation phases. Do they have a history of #wontfix ? Also, I've never met a dev team that responds well to shame and antics.

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    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      I don't agree that shame is involved in reporting a vulnerability. It's not an an insult, this isn't people calling their baby ugly, it's constructive and informative. People only report vulnerabilities in things they think need to be safe, that's a positive thing.

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    6. Heather Adkins - r00t folding team #258829‏ @argvee Apr 1
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      Replying to @taviso @0xMatt and

      I dunno. There's a lot of emotive language in the blogpost.

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @argvee @0xMatt and

      Sure, but I think that's a combination of writing for the intended audience with a casual blog-tone and the questionable growth-hacking Zoom are doing. In that context I think the language can be excused.

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    8. Heather Adkins - r00t folding team #258829‏ @argvee Apr 1
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      Replying to @taviso @0xMatt and

      Shrug. I recognize there are people that don't care about the impact they have on others, but I do believe empathy goes a longer way than snark.

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    9. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Apr 1
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      Replying to @fugueish @argvee and

      Not that some companies don't deserve it more than others - but I do think the world would be a better place if so many vulnerability write-ups didn't read like this: "YET again, these stupid people have failed to meet my expectations."

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 1
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      Replying to @0xMatt @fugueish and

      Fair, but the context here is a vendor who repeatedly and consciously chose gross growth hacks over security. In a casual blog post for a technical audience, some exasperation can be excused, without questioning empathy... no?

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