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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      Wow, a controversial security topic we agree on 😂 I fight enough battles in security that I don't need another one, but I also believe this.

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    2. Lea Kissner‏ @LeaKissner Mar 4
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      OK, help -- why do you think mobile voting is securable? Do you believe this in a theoretical future world where platform security is better, or in the current world (and if so, how?)? Because, honestly, it doesn't look very securable to me in this world.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      I don't think securable is a fair bar, it should be the current level of security. I think people say "sure, everything is bad, but this will be bad... at scale", and I don't find that convincing enough to ignore the benefits. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    4. Lea Kissner‏ @LeaKissner Mar 4
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      Hmm. Why? AIUI there's enough diversity in setup that it's not super-easy to hit things remotely at scale. Mobile voting, especially given how many people are on old, insecure versions of Android, seems way easier.

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    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      What's the specific attack you're thinking of (e.g. malicious app in the store, chrome exploit, etc)? I 100% believe attacks at a similar scale to attacks on ballot boxes is possible.

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    6. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Mar 4
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      It's really not attacks I'm worried about, it's incompetence. Iowa couldn't even pull off an app-based *caucus* for 170k people, but we're supposed to take it on face value that some future contractor will successfully do this for 150 million?

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      We get incompetence with ballot boxes too, no? Where does the 150 million figure come from, you're already imagining a straw man implementation, I suspect. We can imagine a straw man nation-wide implementation of ballot boxes that is also bad at scale, no?

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    8. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Mar 4
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      150 million is the upper bound on the number of actual people who vote in a presidential election. You're right that it would more likely be a huge number of smaller, different apps which I don't suspect would be any better in the end.

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    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      Right, but you agree that we already have things like lost ballot boxes, right? I hope we agree paper ballots are not perfect and infallible, so why does mobile voting have to be?

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    10. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Mar 4
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      We agree that paper ballots are not perfect and infallible. Mobile voting doesn't have to be either. I'm just looking for a reason why doing it by app is *better* and solve the big problems we currently have: 1) Disenfranchisement, and 2) Disinformation

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Mar 4
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      Oh, we definitely agree on that, I don't make any claims that it's the best solution! I just don't agree with the the reasons it's being dismissed from consideration.

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        2. Fourteen macaws in a trenchcoat‏ @0xMatt Mar 4
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          I don't think you and I have any disagreement then. :)

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        3. Jeff McJunkin‏ @jeffmcjunkin Mar 4
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          I dunno about a best answer, I just want better than most states have now. Automatic registration based on DMV data along with vote by mail being standard seem like well-tested improvements.

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