If you’re freaked out that your browser turned something called “DNS over HTTPS” on, you’re being bamboozled. DoH is a good thing.
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You say “DNS over HTTPS” rather than “all your web browsing history will be sent to Cloudflare”. These are separate things, and Mozilla is doing both for all US users. Cloudflare has a history of sharing personal data with hate groups.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/how-cloudflare-helps-serve-up-hate-on-the-web/amp …
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Cloudflare are problematic. There's no reason to think they're not law-abiding though, and Mozilla have negotiated an enforceable policy. IIUC, there are plans to add more providers to the pool in future, but right now this is *still* a more sensible default than "Trust DHCP".
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Assuming that Cloudflare are in fact forbidden from turning this data into money (or even collecting it?), what do they gain from running this DoH service? What's the business model here?
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Project Zero doesn't make any money either, I imagine it's the same reason, making the internet safer and more trustworthy is good business.
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Please forgive me if I don't believe in Google's altruism any more... Project Zero helps advance Google's other interests which in turn bring money. I just don't see what Cloudflare interests are going to be helped by DoH.
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Unless it's supposed to offset the image damage from giving DDoS protection to all kinds of shady actors of course...
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The most straightforward benefit to cloudflare I can think of is that it helps pre-fill their cache for the long tail of semi-popular DNS lookups. This makes their DNS service faster for everyone, including their paying customers and ones not bound by privacy agreements.
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This is a little-understood aspect of DNS: it costs next to nothing to run. It's ~3 UDP packets per request, and minuscule amounts of storage. Whoa! But your DNS cache latency gets much much better for everyone if *more* people use it, because that's how caches work.
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This is about DoH which is quite a bit more expensive than "conventional" DNS
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Tavis Ormandy Retweeted Matthew Prince 🌥
Hmm, @eastdakota says it's basically free, is there any reason to doubt that?https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1232801257502326785 …
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Nope. It would be very inexpensive to run well, it’ll be almost free to run adequately. The benefits to doing so, if you’re already invested in staff and infrastructure, will likely outweigh the incremental costs, even before you start monetizing the data.
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