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    1. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      A 0day policy would have even more effect on vendors, yet harm users. At any point in time, it's not just the effect on vendors but also the end effect on users that matters, if security is the end goal.

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    2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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      Dude, you're making it really hard to avoid having a disclosure debate with you. What you call "0day policy" others call full disclosure, is that really a discussion you want to get into? 😛

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    3. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      No, I know where we align and where we don't, we can save the twitterverse from that :) just leaving a reasonable doubt from the dev perspective in a conversation that is usually security-researchers dominated.

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    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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      Replying to @lazytyped @berendjanwever

      I think everyone is clear that vendors don't like full disclosure 😛

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    5. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      That was hardly something I wanted to even touch on. I dislike some of the exasperated hero narrative, as you know, and that seems to be the necessary monster to create to build it, so I'd rather pass on this :)

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    6. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      My developer heart cares about you using my product. For you to use it it has to be usable, cool, performant and safe. I care about all of this, but have to balance. I wish more of this balance would get on the stage, rather than just the bug-problem-fix stories.

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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      Sure, but the problem with this is two fold. First, not everyone agrees you should be allowed to adjust those knobs on their behalf, you don't know their priorities. Second, you don't have the power to adjust them, you need resources provided by people who don't have a dev heart.

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    8. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      1) is the market. Ultimately what customers pay for validates my choices,also on the configurability end. 2) of course, there are many moving parts and all matter, which is why I push for multiple points of view and levers

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    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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      That's nonsense, how can the market react to information that you're arguing they shouldn't know? I'm saying make it public and let the market decide. You're saying don't let the market know, just trust us to do the right thing.

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    10. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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      At what point have I ever advocated to not make information public? If anything I am for more information, not less (in fact I'm looking at all the incentives, not narrowing my scope to security bugs)

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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      Then what is it you want? More information available to users, but delayed until it is no longer useful?

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        2. twiz‏ @lazytyped Jan 8
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          What I want is more effort in building infrastructure than in finding bugs. And more attention on why they happen rather than just ship out patches leaving all the burden of adoption to users.

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Jan 8
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          Cool, and the best way to get that is to give users less information about vulnerabilities that affect them?

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