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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @rmhrisk @saleemrash1d and

      OK, and you claim that no matter what the market price, the same amount of exploits will always be produced and sold? Even if the price drops to pennies, people will still spend months of skilled labor researching and building them?

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    2. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      No, I claim that the market would get more efficient and while prices may temporarily lower, the number of buyers would increase through that efficiency we would ultimately return to highs comparable or even higher than today.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @rmhrisk @saleemrash1d and

      What comparable market demonstrates that behavior? I'm not an economics expert, maybe you have a good basis for that claim.

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    4. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      As a consultant when my larger clients faded away for one way or another I hunted for new clients. I found clients and in many cases they wanted to do business with me because of the work I had done for their competitors sometimes paying premiums above what was paid before.

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    5. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      My time was an asset they did not have access to before and they wanted to lock it up. This is not unique and carries enough parallels to this use case to be a relevant example.

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    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @rmhrisk @saleemrash1d and

      I see, so your claim is that when a big buyer drops out of a market, other buyers will start paying more because there's less competition. Well, I think we definitely disagree on this, your anecdote could be a fluke or shrewd negotiating, no?

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    7. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @saleemrash1d and

      No, I am saying other players will use that big players departure as an opportunity to collect more Pokémon and than over time the market will get better at connecting buyers and sellers which will return prices to market highs and even exceeding them.

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    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @rmhrisk @saleemrash1d and

      Got it, is it fair to say your rationale for believing that is mostly based on anecdotes?

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    9. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @saleemrash1d and

      Not exactly; read about market efficiency and trends and you see this pattern. That said I’ve observed this as well. Markets are dynamic, up close they look one way, when you zoom out you see the larger pattern.

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    10. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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      The core question is do the Pokémon have value; as long as the market believes they do there will be demand; they may need to be packaged and/or sold differently for different buyers but the market will adjust as long as they have value.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @rmhrisk @saleemrash1d and

      That's not the core question, your claim is that the price will always remain the same (or even grow) if buyers fall out of a market, right? That seems remarkable to me, and I'm not convinced, but I think it's mostly based on anecdata... ?

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        1. Ryan Hurst‏Verified account @rmhrisk 15 Dec 2019
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          I did not say that. I said that if the asset has intrinsic value, is in short supply and there is demand, the market will ultimately recover from large buyers leaving the market.

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