Concur 100%. But an apparent conflict emerges when collection is shifted from one org to another, for money. And like the Firefox DoH move, it centralizes visibility - and exploitability and profit motive - for the data. There's no Let's Encrypt of VPNs (unless you count Tor).
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There is no free-as-in-beer VPN like Let's Encrypt is for certificates, but there are lots of good ways for people to roll their own for free. One great option is Algo VPN, which should work on just about any cloud provider (or home network) in the world. :)
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Agreed, but it's beyond most people's capability. Perhaps close tothe same order of magnitude as the people who can truly judge the threat model.
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There's a difference between those two things, this is just proxying your traffic through a bandwidth reseller. It's dangerous to conflate these, one is just cynically shuffling bits from one untrusted network to another to extract revenue, the other actually has value.
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Replying to @taviso @TychoTithonus and
Different to the extent Mozilla has extracted privacy guarantees via business contracts with the bandwidth providers. Secure proxy: https://www.cloudflare.com/mozilla/firefox-private-network-privacy-notice/ … VPN:https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy/ …
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Replying to @dveditz @TychoTithonus and
That doesn't make sense. You're transferring packets from one untrusted network to another. I guarantee the privacy to myself on my endpoint, so what did I gain by transferring my packets to another endpoint with a weaker guarantee?
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I understand what you gained, a subscription fee, but what did I gain from this transaction? It seems my packets are still on an untrusted network, right?
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Replying to @taviso @TychoTithonus and
You, specifically, gain nothing because you are smarter than the average bear. Many others use commercial ISPs known to track their customers and would prefer their traffic come out where it can't be associated with them individually.
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Replying to @dveditz @TychoTithonus and
Could you explain to me how Mullvad get your packets to their final destination?
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The same way Comcast does, except Mulvad has promised not to log my traffic and Comcast has made if very very clear in their privacy policy that they do. That bothers some people. If it doesn't bother you it's not worth a Latte a month to avoid it.
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Right, but I've also promised myself not to log my own traffic, so that doesn't mean very much. Now, instead of giving my traffic directly to my ISP, I give it to Mulvad and they give it directly to to their ISP, right? In your opinion, this makes it secure from eavesdropping?
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From your website, "Firefox Private Network protects you against spying and eavesdropping", so I'm curious how you justify that claim.
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