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Vulnerability researcher at Google. This is a personal stream, opinions expressed are mine.

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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      Here's an excellent example, Microsoft literally told customers this bug was too complex to fix in 3 months, but ended up being the trivial oneline check we assumed it would be. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1804 …

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    2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      You can't tell me the complexity was testing either, because the tests are opensource and they literally just call it with rand() 1000 times. 😂

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Brook Schoenfield‏ @BrkSchoenfield 2 Dec 2019
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      Sometimes mistakes are made. When I had to deal with PSIRT, I was always interested in solutions from reporters. But then, I can cite many examples where the fix appeared trivial and was not - at least, to do it correctly.

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    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      You don't see the problem with "just give PSIRT as much time as they like", while the users sit there vulnerable?

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    5. Brook Schoenfield‏ @BrkSchoenfield 2 Dec 2019
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      My answer is that the current methods are broken: a disservice to honest software makers. And a disservice to the research community’s profoundly important contributions. Mostly, one way or other, it’s users who lose

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    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      That's a very vendor-centric opinion, that your users lose by understanding the limitations and risks of your products. Many people (like me) disagree, and believe your users win by understanding the risks and flaws products pose.

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    7. Brook Schoenfield‏ @BrkSchoenfield 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @mattaustin

      We security folk need to provide the risk analysis about which issue affects whom, how. Who needs to respond, who can ignore. (BTW, I’ve published quite a few of those; I’m walking my talk here)

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    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      How convenient, users should be deprived of information about the risks in the products you sell. Do you believe this applies to other products, is it wrong to tell people you see tainted food being sold?

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    9. Brook Schoenfield‏ @BrkSchoenfield 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @mattaustin

      Twist my words, why don’t you? You really want to turn this into an argument? I don’t. I’m interested in improving our collective practice. Go insult someone else, if you must. /out

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    10. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      You reply to tweets really strangely, apparently in random order and sometimes to unrelated threads. I don't see how an analogy to reporting tainted food is an insult, I'm pointing out an inconsistency in your position.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 2 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @BrkSchoenfield @mattaustin

      My impression of IOActive is that they will defend Microsoft to the death, so when you say you only want to improve our collective practice, is it not fair for me to point out that you're arguing for a very pro-Microsoft position? That might count as "improve" for you, not me.

      2:25 PM - 2 Dec 2019
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