This letter from the US service provider industry is quite something. It talks about "data competition" which implies people's data are a legit thing to sell. They also note that encrypting DNS would harm the advertising business. This is why we do not trust the US industry.https://twitter.com/BoingBoing/status/1181206454281396224 …
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Replying to @PowerDNS_Bert
This is a confusing tweet Bert, aren't you on the side of the ISPs?
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Replying to @taviso @PowerDNS_Bert
So you can only be against DoH or for it?
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Replying to @AkiTuomi @PowerDNS_Bert
The core point of contention is whether ISPs get the queries by default. The benefit of DoH is that we can control who gets to see them. I understand you're indifferent to DoH if the ISP still gets the queries. I'm sure you already understand this, I don't know why you asked?
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"Whether the ISPs get the queries" is not even my main complaint, it's "the browser is willfully bypassing system settings" and "over HTTP". DNS over TLS exists, quad-X resolvers (with DoT) exist. DoH is just silly.
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The problem is you are one of the lucky few who only use trustworthy networks. Many people do not have that luxury, like the customers of the ISPs in the article above. Is it your opinion that it just sucks to be them, and we should do nothing?
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Replying to @taviso @Cron2Gert and
See, this is what I don't get about the pro-DoH argument: why do you assume your DoH provider will treat your dns data better than your isp? The two biggest DoH providers (Google and CloudFlare) are already in the advertising business.
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Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @taviso and
To me, it seems that people believe that a tech giant will threat your dns data better than your isp. I really wish I understood that rationele, because at this point, I just don't. And it feels like I'm missing something obvious here...
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Replying to @JeroenJacobs79 @Cron2Gert and
If you're talking about Mozilla, they have a detailed explanation of how they choose a DoH partner here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/DOH-resolver-policy …. If you're talking about Chrome, they only upgrade to DoH if you've *already* elected to use a resolver that supports it.
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Replying to @taviso @Cron2Gert and
Is there any information on how the Mozilla Foundation makes sure those requirements are met? Who is doing the audit of potential DoH partners? I like the way Chrome handles it, as it leaves the decision up to the end-user.
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Your question is how will Mozilla ensure somebody doesn't violate a legally-binding contract? I mean, if "legally" isn't a good enough answer, I don't know what to tell you. That seems better than the agreement you have with the free hotel wifi provider. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/dns-over-https-doh-faqs#w_what-is-the-privacy-policy-for-dns-over-https …
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Replying to @taviso @Cron2Gert and
That's why I set up a OpenVPN tunnel to my home network when I'm on a hotel wifi...
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