This letter from the US service provider industry is quite something. It talks about "data competition" which implies people's data are a legit thing to sell. They also note that encrypting DNS would harm the advertising business. This is why we do not trust the US industry.https://twitter.com/BoingBoing/status/1181206454281396224 …
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Replying to @PowerDNS_Bert
This is a confusing tweet Bert, aren't you on the side of the ISPs?
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Replying to @taviso @PowerDNS_Bert
So you can only be against DoH or for it?
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Replying to @AkiTuomi @PowerDNS_Bert
The core point of contention is whether ISPs get the queries by default. The benefit of DoH is that we can control who gets to see them. I understand you're indifferent to DoH if the ISP still gets the queries. I'm sure you already understand this, I don't know why you asked?
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"Whether the ISPs get the queries" is not even my main complaint, it's "the browser is willfully bypassing system settings" and "over HTTP". DNS over TLS exists, quad-X resolvers (with DoT) exist. DoH is just silly.
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The problem is you are one of the lucky few who only use trustworthy networks. Many people do not have that luxury, like the customers of the ISPs in the article above. Is it your opinion that it just sucks to be them, and we should do nothing?
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Replying to @taviso @Cron2Gert and
if you can't trust your upstream you need more protection than DoH pretends to give you.
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Replying to @paulvixie @taviso and
To be brazen and add to this, if your upstream is hijacking your DNS or blocking DoT, you have serious issues that DoH won't solve and it easily interferes with local net DNS (which I doubt is solvable without the ISP also taking advantage).
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Replying to @ren_tragger @paulvixie and
It solves a real problem that is happening to real users today. The fact that we have more problems to solve doesn't mean we shouldn't solve this one, right? We can solve these problems independently, nobody claims DoH solves everything.
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Replying to @taviso @paulvixie and
So the plan is to break existing tech for everyone in exchange for solving a problem for a subset of people? Is it wrong that I believe we should have a do no harm policy? Who's problem is being fixed? It isn't my customers. This only complicates and/or breaks them.
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The plan is to break snooping without permission, yes. If that is something you currently do, it will require some operational changes. I do not believe a "do no harm" policy applies to snoopers (??).
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Replying to @taviso @paulvixie and
Every time a customer calls unable to reach a website, can I give them your personal cell phone number? When their dynamic dns and other internal automated systems cease to work, can they call you? We don't snoop or even log queries. DoH is of negative value to them.
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