That was my thought too
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Replying to @chrisrohlf @mdowd and
It’s alarming to me, like the w00w00 stories but more so, because so many people have friends favored by these stories and will incline towards just accepting the narrative. I’m glad people are poking at it. I don’t think the Wired excerpt stands up well, either.
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Replying to @tqbf @chrisrohlf and
Nobody wants to touch the gravy train. In reality though, among groups in the late 90s/early 2000s, @ stake/w00w00/cDc were pretty irrelevant (as groups). TESO/ADM were more relevant, maybe LSD-pl, then synnergy, isec . pl, then GOBBLES. The scene and fun died before 2005.
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Replying to @grsecurity @tqbf and
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Replying to @chrisrohlf @grsecurity and
I don't think anyone is disputing (or could reasonably dispute) that @-stake was influential on the early security industry. I don't read the commentary here as hate, just context.
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Replying to @taviso @chrisrohlf and
Was it? I don't remember anyone talking about it. Companies like NFR existed years before @-stake was founded. What specific things did they influence?
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I think LSD is a bad example. They went on to use their credibility to influence Windows from the inside, and the argus pitbull disaster was pretty seminal event for marketing of security products... in a "it could have been even worse" kind of way 
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