I see, how would you implement your philosophy on this topic for a messaging protocol? Encrypted messaging, but cleartext metadata? (fwiw, we disagree on this topic, just trying to understand your viewpoint) 
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Replying to @taviso @FiloSottile
Does Google do any monitoring through its networks? Or have you found a way to do it all on the endpoints? Because this is the big issue - can you somehow influence and monitor what devices can do from the network or not. 1/2
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Regarding the end-two-end instant messaging, in my world, enterprise network operators may decide that they won't offer that to their employees on their network, and that they'd be able to study attempts to circumvent this. This is a choice I'm hoping they'd be able to make. 2/2
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Replying to @PowerDNS_Bert @FiloSottile
That is quite a difficult answer to parse, if I understand correctly, you're saying you'll support end to end encryption in the same way that POP3 supports end to end encryption - i.e. you won't stop people using PGP over it?
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Replying to @taviso @FiloSottile
So from a corporate setting, you would for example still see large PGP messages leave the company. You'd be very interested in that. But let us get back to my other question: do you see value in monitoring things from the network? Or should you just ignore that?
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Replying to @PowerDNS_Bert @FiloSottile
I don't really want to debate that, but rest assured I understand your argument and the "going dark" thing. I just wanted to understand how your views on this topic will influence the messaging protocol you're proposing, I'm not saying it's good or bad.
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Replying to @taviso @FiloSottile
I’m very much in favor of secure end to end communications to be available to everyone. But I am not in favor of every network having to offer that, with no regard to if the owner wants it or not. 1/2
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And because some people are on a bad county’s network, this will deprive some people. The question now is if you should remove network control from enterprises everywhere to help dissidents in Turkey. What do you think?
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Replying to @PowerDNS_Bert @FiloSottile
As I've already mentioned, we disagree on this topic, but I don't want to debate it and I'm just trying to understand how your opinions will influence protocol design decisions
I think the answer is end-to-end encryption will never be default on, but will be available?1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Didn't mean to put words in your mouth, just trying to figure out where you're leaning on this.
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Replying to @taviso @FiloSottile
I walked into this today, will let you know when I got my bearings.
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