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    1. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      Okay let me say it a last time in a simple thread so that people can be pointed to it and I don't have to repeat myself. 1) I think that we have not enough women talking at cons. 2) I have seen many times (and heard from other con organizers) that only a few submit to cons.

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    2. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      there are many theories why this happens. From less desire to speak, less confidence, fear of toxic environment or likely other theories. 3) There might be cons who cannot understand that because they have many submissions.

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    3. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      4) I believe we have to encourage them to submit. The optimum would be they just submit to CFPs without additional encouraging. 5) I do not believe that any gender is more or less qualified to talk. It is a personal thing that depends on each individual.

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    4. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      6) I have absolutely no problem with women being selected more often than what their submission rate would suggest if selected by a random number generator.

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    5. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      7) The problem arises when a con "pledges even before the CFP" that they will have more women. You cannot pledge this without openly admitting that you will select based on gender.

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    6. Alex Ionescu‏ @aionescu 18 Feb 2019
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      So your argument boils down to saying pledging in advance is a sort of “affirmative action”? And do you then have any opinions about that — my guess is that you’re against affirmative action systems? Just asking to clarify...

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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @aionescu @i0n1c

      Tavis Ormandy Retweeted Tavis Ormandy

      I think he has just made the logical error of assuming that if a speaker lineup is not population representative, then the review bar must have been lowered. I think this is a very common fallacy.https://twitter.com/taviso/status/1097524484200849409 …

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      I think it's a fallacy that "the bar must have been lowered", you can encourage more submissions from less represented groups and then the percentage of good submissions from that group increases. Doesn't that explain a non-population representative lineup w/o requiring quotas?
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    8. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @taviso @aionescu

      Well but if like @aionescu says you have to meet a quota no matter what this means you lowered the bar - unless you have an endless source of high quality submissions from a minority.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @i0n1c @aionescu

      There are more than enough qualified people from just about any group to fill any number of slots.

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        2. Ben Nagy‏ @rantyben 18 Feb 2019
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          I don’t think that degree of hyperbole is useful. Two examples that spring to mind are HITB and Kiwicon. Both have exceptional technical standards and both very, very serious about inclusion. They don’t pull 50-50 numbers, but I bet they’d like to.

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        3. мара-яга‏ @marasawr 18 Feb 2019
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          Controlling for ‘women into RE who could make it to the Ruhr/Luxembourg for a weekend,’ @Blackhoodie_RE still managed mini-cons I’d have been happy to pay for (think I’m with Tavis)

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